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    Default Thoughts on traditional Ju Jitsu?

    I've done Japanese Ju Jitsu for awhile and it's definately useful but I'm wondering if anybody here thinks it's a complete waste of time? In a real fight do you think it's useful?

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    Not nearly as pracitical or good as BJJ. It's not bad IMO, but the Gracies have spent almost a decade improving it.

    Edit: I meant to say Century!!!!!!!!!!
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    JJJ isn't useless by any means, but I think you're better off learning Judo or BJJ than JJJ. You can make any martial art affective. You just have to learn how to take the best parts of it and adapt.

    Moved this to the Grappler's Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramma View Post
    JJJ isn't useless by any means, but I think you're better off learning Judo or BJJ than JJJ. You can make any martial art affective. You just have to learn how to take the best parts of it and adapt.

    Moved this to the Grappler's Forum.
    I think that was one of the problems with Carlos Newton. His JJJ just wasnt good enough for the better grapplers out there.

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    Please define: Real fight

    Japanese Jiu Jitsu is very effective as is BJJ but in a street fight you really want to avoid arm bars and pulling guard - I would suggest you train some form of stand up for that.

    If you are talking competition fighting then its judo/bjj all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark80 View Post
    Please define: Real fight

    Japanese Jiu Jitsu is very effective as is BJJ but in a street fight you really want to avoid arm bars and pulling guard - I would suggest you train some form of stand up for that.

    If you are talking competition fighting then its judo/bjj all day.
    I've told this story before on the forums but this is how I got into Judo...I was doing Kyokushin Karate for a few years, when I was 9 my dad wanted me to do Judo (as he's from the USSR he was a huge Sambo and Judo, but a submission wrestling fanatic overall). He took me to a Judo school ran by Boris Talis who is a great USSR Judoka and Sambo practitioner. I looked on the class with my dad and I kept saying "this is weird...why are they rubbing against each other" etc all that "that's so gay stuff"...Then after class my dad introduced me to the guy and said this is my son he doesn't get wrestling. Boris looked at me and said what are you going to do in a real fight? I got into a stance and attempted to throw a roundhouse kick, before my foot left the ground, he hip tossed me on my ass harder than i thought was possible...then he stood over me and said "imagine doing this in a street fight...ON THE PAVEMENT!" and I was hooked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark80 View Post
    Please define: Real fight

    Japanese Jiu Jitsu is very effective as is BJJ but in a street fight you really want to avoid arm bars and pulling guard - I would suggest you train some form of stand up for that.

    If you are talking competition fighting then its judo/bjj all day.



    Great work .. really informative .. and thanks a lot for sharing ..

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    The biggest problem I had with JJJ and most other 'traditional' martial arts is that they seem so dogmatic.

    The beauty of mixed martial arts is that it innovates and isnt afraid to change and develop, people go away and cross train in other disciplines then come back and incorperate those techniques into their MMA. You dont really get that with alot of more traditional martial arts.

    Another think I dislike about traditional martial arts is that theyre so expensive. It costs a fortune to do your gradings, you need loads of equipment and at the higher levels in things like JJJ you need to start investing in silly stuff like swords and what not. With MMA I need my subscription fee, my gloves, my gum shield and a pair of shorts - simples.

    Its true to say that any martial art is better than none - for adrenaline conditioning more than anything else - but I see little point in spending a fortune to do something like JJJ when there are more effective disciplines out there that wont break the bank. Martial arts has developed more in the past 15 years than it did in the previous 500 and MMA is the future.

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    I agree that JJJ is much more similar to Judo than BJJ. I used to take Judo while I was a teenager, and recently I've started JJJ. There are quite a few similarities in both. They all grew from the same root after all. The biggest difference is JJJ focuses more on stand up locks and throws, while BJJ is mostly groundwork.

    Is JJJ useless as some put it? No. Some moves are outdated though, but you get that in all martial arts. Everyone seems to jump all over the BJJ bandwagon because of what they see in MMA. And while in controlled environments BJJ is king, the last thing I would ever do in the street is pull guard, or take the fight to the ground at all. Too many things can go wrong.

    Anyway, there is always good and bad in all forms. Like Smaciman said, a lot depends on the instructor. Some will teach the traditional way, with all the outdated moves, while others will focus on what works and forego the rest.

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    I know what you mean but sometimes trying to do a hip toss in a confined space is difficult.

    When I was younger I did Karate (too young to remember variant) but lost interest within weeks with all the extra steps you had to take to attack and also by the constant shouting from the teacher.

    I dabbled in wing chun for a few months and really liked the small movement and impact shots.

    In any street fight I would try to avoid having one in the first place. Failing that I would look to throw a quick few shots and get the hell out of there. The number of people who get stabbed or injured on the street is a great deterrant for me.

    Since training MMA I haven't looked back as I feel it gives me the best of ground and stand up.
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