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    Joe Rogan returned to the Underground to discuss his use of some choice words for Yahoo! MMA blogger Maggie Hendricks. I think Joe, in an attempt to explain himself, digs himself into a deeper hole here, as it seems that he doesn't understand why he came under fire.

    To wit:

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    ever did I imagine that so many people would get their panties in a bunch about the use of the word "c*nty" to describe a female blogger, but in this "gotcha" era of online "journalism" we find ourselves in any controversy that can be exploited to fill headlines and pad mandatory blog obligations will be pursued to the extreme.
    You can't sit down at your computer, type up a lengthy message board post, and then turn around and claim "gotcha journalism." No one put Joe Rogan on the spot. He volunteered his thoughts on a public forum, and a bunch of people called him out on it.

    As for "exploiting controversy," I'll leave it at this: Brent's post yesterday is still our most trafficked piece today. It's an issue that people want to read about. To quote Kid Nate, "The UFC sells pay-per-views. We sell page views."

    My use of the word "c*nty" in retrospect was unfortunate, and more of a symptom of my stand up comic vernacular than what more verbally conservative people would interpret the word as. "C*nty" is just another word for bitchy.

    It means exactly the same thing to me, it's just that "c*nty" sounds better and is more fun to use.
    I can sympathize with Rogan here. As an entertainer, I grant Rogan leeway in his vernacular, especially when he's on his podcast or doing standup. That's part of the gig.

    However, the game changes when we enter the world of fight sport and interacting with the media. Joe, whether he wants to admit it or not, acts as a representative of the UFC. He, behind Dana White, is arguably the most visible face of the organization.

    So, when Joe calls Maggie Hendricks (or her writing) "c*nty" he does so as Joe Rogan, UFC broadcaster, and not Joe Rogan, professional comedian. And I believe he is smart enough to understand that distinction.

    The term "bitchy" to describe the style of the writer in question and her take on things is both accurate and appropriate.
    Changing the word from extremely offensive to moderately offensive doesn't make things better. Again, I can sympathize with him here. I suspect that Joe and I largely agree on words and offensiveness and etc.

    But again, you have to remain cognizant of your environment. I'm not going to scream slurs at a NAACP meeting, and I'm not going to demean female members of the media with words like "c*nty" or "bitchy."

    You can disagree with Hendricks, you can lambast her views for being overly sensitive or poorly written or opportunistic or however you feel about her work, without resorting to personal insults, let alone language that steps over the line.

    Rogan then posts a couple of pieces from Hendricks at Cagewriter. For the sake of formatting, you can find the links in the Underground post. One is critical of Rogan and Goldberg's commentary at UFC 105, done in almost TWIQ-like fashion, and the other is a very short blurb about Stephen Quadros' appearance at a Showtime event.

    Is that journalism? Is that good writing? Is that the kind of thing you could stumble upon while reading the New York Times? Would it make a fine entry in FIGHT magazine? Is sports illustrated pissed off that they missed out on publishing these gems? No, it's bitchy bullshit. "C*nty" writing, if you will.
    So, despite calling his use of the word "c*nty" unfortunate, he reinforces it later on. OK.

    Then Rogan sets up the classic straw man about blogging where he compares it to more "established' institutions like the New York Times. He continues:

    The sport of Mixed Martial Arts is fairly new, and one of the very first sports to be supported and defined by new media. We have an extraordinary amount of websites dedicated to the sport, and in the dark days of being exiled from cable television these sites (including the one I'm posting this on, mixedmartialarts.com) helped keep this sport alive.

    Now that the sport is incredibly popular and thriving however, we've reached this saturation point where anyone with a website that writes about this sport wants to be considered a "journalist." People that 20 years ago wouldn't have a shot in hell at a career in writing are now demanding to be taken seriously with their snarky, poorly thought out offerings.
    I find the "snarky, poorly thought out offerings" comment incredibly apropos here, no?

    And the old "anyone with a website" argument. This argument has been cut to shred numerous times by people more articulate than myself, but sites (and individual writers) don't maintain readership bases by mindlessly publishing content. The internet provides websites and writers a platform for meritocracy.

    If you publish things people want to read, if you establish trust with your readers, you will grow. If every asshat with a keyboard could put together a popular MMA site, we'd have a lot more competition.

    This sport is infested with these people, and what they're going to have to realize is that if they want to be writers and they want their stuff to be read and ingested than they themselves must become public figures in the process, and that includes being s*** on for what you put out there. The illusion of anonymity and a lack of repercussions available to the subjects of your work is a thing of the past.
    Again. Apropos. The Underground isn't an anonymous internet forum, and what you say on there is subject to public criticism.

    My apologies to Maggie Hendricks for calling her "c*nty," and I truly hope I didn't hurt her feelings. My forum post was honest and off the cuff, and I didn't think out the possible reactions to it. I don't know the woman, and I'm sure she's probably a nice person in real life, but if I have a point with any of this it's that when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.
    When I first read this, I thought it was another half-hearted apology that is typical of these situations. I even had the title all lined up: "Joe Rogan and the Non-Apology Apology." There's been a lot of criticism on Twitter about the apology, but upon reading it a second time, I think it's legit.

    He comes right out and apologizes to Hendricks for what he did. I think a lot of people are reading this as "I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings," which I don't think is what's going on here. I think Rogan is being genuine here. I don't think he fully understands the criticism he has received, but I do think this is an honest attempt at extending the olive branch to Hendricks.
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    he has no need to apologize. I wouldn't and he was actually correct in her assesment, methinks

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    You know, hearing about all of his Underground comments over the years and knowing his vulgar stand-up routine, I kind of expect this from Joe(unfortunately), but he puts himself out there for this.

    Especially after the Dana/Hunt issues over the years and the current LGBT acceptance movement, one of the "VOICES" of the UFC and a very visible component in ZUFFA's expansion has to utilize a little more restraint and tact in his comments. This type of stuff isn't TERRIBLE by any stretch, but it just shows poor judgement and shouldn't happen in order to maintain an aura of respectability. At that point, maybe ZUFFA may have to take a look at having a vulgar stand-up comedian as one of their commentators.

    In other news, I heard a rumour that Joe was friends with some fella named Eddie Bravo ..... I hope it doesn't influence his love of the rubberguard.

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    SO what, it's illegal to insult someone anymore? You can't think badly about anyone anymore? WTF

    This world is more fucked up than it ever has been and that is saying volumes, yet, you can't insult someone or have a negative thought about anyone. LMAO!

    How about all of the so easily offended cunty people in this world just go and kill themselves.
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    Meh, whats the difference if Joe Rogan says Cunt or DW says Fuck?

    Its a professional sport, so I agree to some extent. But at the same time, its a sport thats completly different from any other. The goal isn't put a ball in a net or run past a line, or to show good manners, a cool head and team spirit.

    Its to render your opponent unconsious.

    MMA is the most violent, agressive and "adult related" sport in the world, imo. I think we can all handle a few curse words, if you cant, maybe MMA isnt the sport for you to watch. imho.

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    Sensitive pr1ck$.

    I'm not exactly sure why the fcuk he even apologized, sort of. The word he used isn't even a fcuking word, lol. Brokeback b1tc4e$!
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    What I think should come across here is not that what Joe said was either right or wrong, rather that in his current position within ZUFFA and the sport, he should exercise better judgement because it will ultimately sprun some sort of backlash from various media outlets and just draws heat.

    I mean, it's nowhere near as bad, hell nearly incomparable to say the Honeytrap they caught Frank Gifford in or the Marv Albert catastrophe, but it does portray someone big and visible in MMA in a negative light and greater restraint would probably alleviate some problems. Ditto goes for Dana and Rampage.

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    why is this even in this section? this ain't really news...nor is it MMA specifically...it's e-drama

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    this is just gotcha journalism!! who cares if joe is volunteering his thoughts it's not even real news... it's just been spun into a story so they have something to sell.. .. second point is that joe is an announcer and a comedian... why can't he be both at the same time? it's a wonder how that concept is such a hard thing for someone who considers themselves journalists.. if you ask me that guy who wrote that article is cunty ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE View Post
    SO what, it's illegal to insult someone anymore? You can't think badly about anyone anymore? WTF

    This world is more fucked up than it ever has been and that is saying volumes, yet, you can't insult someone or have a negative thought about anyone. LMAO!

    How about all of the so easily offended cunty people in this world just go and kill themselves.
    Nope it's not illegal at all. It is also not illegal to criticize someone for using language you find offensive.

    I must have missed the part of the article where Joe was arrested for insulting someone. I only read the part where Joe chose to criticize someone's writing and then someone else chose to criticize his.
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