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Thread: Liddel vs Hendo

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    Default Liddel vs Hendo

    both in there prime at 205, who wins it? Chuck vs Hendo
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    BOth in there primes: I think it'd Liddel would take it no problem. His takedown defence, and ability to stand up after being taken down was the only area he'd be in trouble with fighting Hendo, and in his prime he was amazing at both.

    Standup would be very easy, as Hendo's aggressive style mixed with Liddels counter striking and superior range would have Hendo soley focused on the takedown.

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    Hendo. Don't get me wrong Liddell was a great and entertaining fighter but I think he had trouble dealing with fighters that had serious KO power in their hands as well. His biggest wins were against Tito and Randy who didn't have big KO power. When he went against Rampage even in his prime he got finished.

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    Chuck used to be able to take a hell of a shot in his prime, I watched his fight vs Pele and he got hit with a sick head kick and recovered. Its tough to say who would win...

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    Whoever picked Liddell is crazy. During his reign, he didnt fight any really good strikers except for Overeem, and he wasnt shit at the time. Hendo would have killed him just like rampage did.

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    I guess you've never heard of Pele...and I guess you've never seen chuck take a punch pre-Rampage...and Overeem was definitely good when he fought him. Overeem's main weakness was his cardio and takedown D...Chuck fucked him up early. I guess you have also never heard of Guy Mezger...then there's that Wanderlei Silva guy...

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    I agree completely with Harlem. Rampage finished him in 03 and 07. No one has ever been able to finish Hendo via strikes and Liddell has been finished by strikes numerous times. Not to mention Hendo has faced more dangerous strikers throughout his career. For Overeem, I'm not sure if I'm still sold on him even as a HW. He beat Wandy and I'm not saying he couldn't defeat great strikers, but his resume certainly suggests that it was his weakness and had lower success against them than Hendo did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    I guess you've never heard of Pele...and I guess you've never seen chuck take a punch pre-Rampage...and Overeem was definitely good when he fought him. Overeem's main weakness was his cardio and takedown D...Chuck fucked him up early. I guess you have also never heard of Guy Mezger...then there's that Wanderlei Silva guy...
    He didnt fight Wandy in his prime though, and Overeem was good then but not great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    I guess you've never heard of Pele...and I guess you've never seen chuck take a punch pre-Rampage...and Overeem was definitely good when he fought him. Overeem's main weakness was his cardio and takedown D...Chuck fucked him up early. I guess you have also never heard of Guy Mezger...then there's that Wanderlei Silva guy...
    Dude, a 41 year old Hendo nearly knocked a prime Shogun's head clean off, Killed a Prime Wandy, destroyed Fedor, and has Beaten Big Nog before in Nog's prime. Chuck was great, but objectively, I think you know hendo has a much better resume and is alot more accomplished.

    Pele, Mezger, and a pre HW Overeem? C'mon son! These dudes were all just gate keepers at best. Not to mention MMA wasnt anywhere near as evolved as it is now when Chuck fought the guys you named.

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    If they're both healthy and in their primes, I'd go with Henderson. Much of the supposition will be based on MMA math, but that's the way it goes with dream fights that span several time periods.

    Henderson's most inconsistent fights where at MW, where he was cutting weight and it was effecting his cardio. He wouldn't have the concern at 205.

    Chuck, for all his KO-power-from-all-four-limbs was still vulnerable at his peak, as illustrated in the first rampage fight [before Chuck's obvious decline]. Using rampage as the common opponent, you can get some idea that sways an arguement. It's MMA math, so it doesn't prove anything, but I think it brings perspective.

    Very simply, I do not have rampage anywhere close to Henderson's level. At jackson's absolute best, rampage won a controversial decision over Dan, and had several factors in his favor with the fight: It was Henderson's first fight back under full unified rules and UFC pacing, as well as in the cage, rather than the ring; while rampage had a tune up fight and the [second] win against Liddell to acclimatize himself to UFC standards. Henderson's wife was nearly 10 months pregnant when the fight occurred, and was home on another contintent. Mentally, that's going to take a toll. Finally, he was having the same issues with his back that have plagued him for much of his career.

    That's the MMA math side of things: rampage at his peak handily beat Chuck at his peak, but couldn't do much more with a clearly-less-than peak Henderson than eke out a controversial decision.

    In terms of skill, I think they're pretty similar. A natural LHW, Chuck is much bigger, with a huge reach advantage, and gets the nod there. I have Chuck's overall striking rated superior to Dan in it's variety, but not necessarily in power. I have Dan's chin rated better than Chucks, throughout their careers. I have Dan's grappling superior to Chucks; in both groundgame and clinch, but give the edge to Liddell in submission defense, although I'm pretty confident that any action going on at the mat would be GnP rather submission grappling.

    It would have been a great fight, but I just feel Dan has more edges where it counts, and would have ended up landing that big ohr that would have heralded the decline of Chuck much earlier than it would have occurred naturally.

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