My point was that people get suspended all the time, until their case is resolved...you'd just get a huge # of hits with teachers, because they make news.
I've worked at universities where janitors were suspended for DUI's. Are they role models?
If he is convicted, the potential blowback for FOX--who have a pretty conservative board in terms of politics--to host a fighter who is then not ony illustrated to be a vicious thug, but to have them aware of it before hand is a lot of negative publicity that they may not want to risk. That would be a pretty cut and dried risk/reward business decision for them, in my opinion, and certainly no different from dana counterprogramming, or the CU applying pressure wherever they can.I think participation should be dependant on the severity of the conviction, in this case, he is innocent until proven guilty and that is how the country is run. Stephens should be allowed to participate and have gainful employment while his trial is ongoing.
I don't think FOX taking him off the card is infringing on his rights. He'd have the right to seek gainful employment elsewhere, or dana would have the option of continuing to pay him till the case is resolved.
It's a privilege to be in the UFC, not a right. It's a privilege to be on a televised card.
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When the CU throws its dick around in NY to try and keep the UFC out of it; thats a business move, thats putting pressure on Zuffa. Writing FOX about 2 fighters that they have on an upcoming card and bitching about their legal problems seems real petty. (its not even like the general public knows who either of these fighters are anyways) Taking either or both of these fighters off of the card wouldnt stop one person from watching this event so I really dont see how its a business move to put pressure on Zuffa.
everyone in this fucking world should just learn to mind their own fucking business.
Favorites: Fedor, Lytle, BJ, Tito, Wandy, Shogun, GSP, Belcher, Leben, Sonnen, Rutten...
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so, would it be fair play then for the ufc and zuffa to bring to light everything a member of the culinary union has said on social media, or had legal issues to the casinos and establishments who deal with the union, and ask them to stop?
I would think most nice innocent guys dont just wake up one day and decide they wanna fight...Fighting is kind of in you and im sure 50 % or so of fighters had troubled pasts and were criminals and they found a legal way to do what they enjoy and make money.
The other 50 % would likely be collage wrestlers.
If they were to hold all fighters accountable for their past's...You know how many great fight's we would have never seen? how many champions would have never been?
MMA is a sport filled with douchebags and always will be. Just like it's fans us are the same way.. Most strait laced blue collar goody goods don't care to watch MMA it's those who have that chip on their shoulders or a bit of anger in us or do a bit of drugs that enjoy watching people get banged out.
I really believe that people like Bill Murray or John Belushi are just as great and just as valid as Robert De Niro or Al Pacino. And I don't think you can say One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) is a better movie than Animal House (1978); they're different genres. I think they're both examples of great craftsmanship.
I'm curious as well how exactly did Dana fuck Fedor's career ? I could see the Strikeforce buy out maybe as being an arguement here but I'm pretty sure that would have happened with or without Fedor there.
Agreed the smart thing to do would be to have Stephens clear this up first.If Stephens is found to be guilty, it wouldn't be the best for him to have fought on this card. If he's found to be innocent, he can fight on future cards without any concern. If Stephens needs money now for legal defense, and dana is 100% supportive, zuffa can financially assist him until the critical parts of his case are resolved.
If they are not being underhanded an actually showing true concern here why are we not hearing this more from them? How many countless entertainers have been through just Las Vegas alone that have had criminal issues that they've probably never given a thought about if they played in a union establishment.With Trujillo, his case happened years ago, and it's public record; but there doesn't seem to be anything about resolution and/or anger management classes or other educational outreach. Minimally, if he's done things to turn himself around, that should be public knowledge as well. I'm all in favor of giving people second chances, but none of what the CU has done here is in any way corrupt in my eyes.
While it may not be corrupt it's still nothing but blatant PR hypocrisy.
I agree with everything you said here except the constructive criticism part there is no need for the culinary union to be sticking their nose in here.Fundamentally, I want the MMA to get better. I look at things like this as constructive criticism. I want zuffa to address the concerns constructively--I do not feel Stephens should be fighting until his case is resolved, nor any other fighter who is under investigation for violent crimes--and grow as a result.
If I thought there was an actual true concern behind what they CU said I'd give them more credence. Realistically though we can all form our own opinions without them coming off like a bunch of tattle tales and trying to make problems.I think the kneejerk reaction is to simply hate on the CU because they have an agenda. But their agenda doesn't mean that anything they've stated here is anything less than accurate.
In fact, that makes it much more like what I was saying, innocent until proven guilty, though with a special precaution to protect children from heinous crimes.
They are actually right.
However I really wonder if the CU has nothing better to do than to spend time writing letters to the UFC.
Not only brazilians can do this stuff
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