Man, I feel like a douchebag... but I dont really accuse anyone of being ignorant of the sport who is in this forum, since I imagine there are no casual fans around here...
Munoz only a year ago was the big bad wrestler that was going to terrorize Anderson Silva, and now I would say he is fading. And that is after only one bad loss to Weidman, you slap another loss on his resume and he will fade a lot more. So, I would give Weidman the same odds people gave Okami against Silva, which is pretty terrible... So my point remains that if he loses that fight (which lets face it is the most likely scenario) and then loses to a guy like Belfort (not as likely but very possible), I think he would fade a bit, much like it happened to Munoz, who was Weidman about 6 months ago...
I'm curious to where some of this is coming from, such as "Munoz only a year ago was the big bad wrestler that was going to terrorize Anderson Silva". Never heard anyone say that, but I really never heard anyone think that Munoz wasn't good until Weidman title talk came up. Hopefully you can see where I'm going with that one.
"Man, I feel like a douchebag... but I dont really accuse anyone of being ignorant of the sport who is in this forum, since I imagine there are no casual fans around here..." Good thing you didn't
It sounds like you're trying to make an argument about a mental downward spiral after suffering a loss but I don't think you can say anything after one loss. Sure, his notoriety amongst many fans has probably faded, but I'm not sure what that has to do with his ability to win.
I hear people say the WW's are tougher all the time; I get the feeling it's one of those things people just keep saying so often that now everyone believes it. Really, I don't care what others think. Belfort, Hendo, and Franklin alone are more accomplished and more well-rounded then anyone who has fought at WW outside of GSP, Penn, and Hughes.
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Also if noone has heard it lately.... Weidman beat a raggedy assed Munoz kinda like Griffin beating a raggedy ass Shogun. I bet the rematches would look similiar.
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Now on the WW vs MW debate, some people were saying that maybe the top 5 of both divisions are comparable but WW has a deeper pool. Well, Rousimar Palhares is currently ranked at around 27th, not sure I would agree with that, but it just goes to show how deep the MW division is, cause that dude is a beast of a fighter.
Back to the point 'Joel made about 'lazer being mistaken:
It doesn't matter how long you've been watching MMA, if you assume that Munoz is done after one fight, if you assume that Weidman will fade into obscurity simply because he loses to Anderson, you really don't know what you're talking about.
The longevity of your interest, the size of your DVD collection, the amount of time you spend in the gym does not always equate to understanding a goddamn thing.
Weidman is a kid. Anderson will probably beat him if they fight this year: I'd take Anderson 7 out of 10 times. But Weidman has an enormously bright future, and if he continues to apply himself and improve at the current pace he's set, he's going nowhere near obscurity. A brush with fame could cause him to flake mentally/emotionally, sure; but that's a long shot, and one that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a potential loss to Anderson.
I think one of the best things you can say about Chris and his potential is to point out the fact that Anderson himself has said he doesn't want to fight him. Not soares, not one of the other braindeads on Anderson's staff, but the champion himself.
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Ed Soares: We recommend, but UFC ultimately chooses Anderson Silva's opponent
Ed Soares: We recommend, but UFC ultimately chooses Anderson Silva's opponent | News
"Sometimes people ask me, and I just say what's on my mind at the time," Soares told MMAjunkie.com (UFC blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps). "I'm just mentioning things. It's not like I'm stepping in there and demanding things from (UFC President) Dana (White). It's not that sort of relationship I have with them."
Silva, the most dominant fighter and biggest name in the sport today, obviously has some pull in the matchmaking process. That's why fans are quick to blame him and Soares for things, including the believed snubbing of undefeated contender Weidman, who's pining for a shot at the champ.
In fact, Soares said he ran into Weidman this past weekend at UFC on FOX 6 in Chicago, and the New Yorker mixed in some humor with his stump speech.
"He was pretty funny about it and said, 'I'll fight him in Brazil, and I'll even give Anderson a rematch in New York,'" he said.
Soares, though, said they offer the UFC input. But ultimately, they want everyone – UFC officials, included – on board with the choice of opponent.
"We suggest some things that we think, and they tell us what they think, and we try to find something that works for everyone," he said. "But at the end of the day – and it's not just with Anderson, but all of our athletes – we've always fought. They get in there and perform.
"Anderson has never chosen his opponent, never picked his opponent. Whoever the UFC put in front of him, he always accepted."
But what about White's public criticism and his belief that Soares is "playing the game," as the fight executive often says.
"I have a good relationship with Dana," he said. "Those types of things don't bother me."
White threw a curveball on Thursday when he said he'd consider former light-heavyweight champion Evans, who's also Saturday's UFC 156 co-headliner, a potential option for Silva at 185 pounds.
Soares said he doesn't care where the challenges come from. A few months shy of his 38th birthday, Silva only has so many fights left, and Soares just wants to assure they make the most of them.
"I'd like to see Anderson fight a half dozen more times, but we have to take it each step one day at a time," he said. "At the end of the day, it's his decision, but definitely I'd love to see him leave undefeated in the UFC and the middleweight champion of the world.
"To me, he's the greatest fight of all time, and I'd like to see him leave that way."
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