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Thread: Vitor Belfort won't discuss TRT, says getting older, better after UFC on FX 8 KO

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    I read an article during that period that stated had Franklin won, he would have gotten a top 5 LHW with a chance of a title shot afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chute_Boxe44 View Post
    ...maybe because this 37 year old is getting the same level of testosterone (genetically engineered) as he was when he was 25. Yup that's natural and makes a ton of sense to me and also shouldn't be labeled as "steroids".
    ..."maybe" is the only word in your post that rings true.

    You're describing TRT abuse, not use. At least theoretically, there is an enormous difference.

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    Because a picture is worth a 1000 words
    yeah. but with those particular pictures, none of the 1000 words are worth a flying fuck.

    One is taken at 195lbs, unflexed, different lighting. One is taken 4 years later, with better focus and finances supporting better training; at 185. As Simplejack noted, it was also after he bulked up to 205 and may have retained size with an increase in the technology of weight cutting--and of course, with different pose, tension and lighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    He's more vascular now and his skin is clearly starting to show age and ill-effects of weight gain and drop. Similar to some pro wrestlers as they age.

    However, part of the difference in those photos can be attributed to his moving up 20 pounds to fight Jones and then cutting it. Clearly he held some mass from his venture to 205.

    I'm not saying it's all on the up and up but someone who bulks up an additional 20 (even 15 or 10) would show better muscle mass when they dropped back down; especially at a weigh-in where they are dehydrated.
    no, no, no. It's totes proof, dawg. I mean, you can tell he's juicing just by comparing them. totes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Does anyone have any idea why the UFC had him fight a catchweight his first fight in the promotion?

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    Wasn't Franklin on his way up to 205 anyway and Vitor requested 195 catch?

    I'm still not quite sure what happened there.
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    Not sure but I think that may have had more to do with Franklin than anything. He was on his LHW/195lbs streak at that point.
    Yes, Franklin was driving that catchweight bus. At that point, Rich was advocating for a cruiserweight division. Vitor also wanted their second fight to be at MW, but got Rich to agree to come down to 190. That became the second fight with Wandi when Belfort broke his hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    ..."maybe" is the only word in your post that rings true.

    You're describing TRT abuse, not use. At least theoretically, there is an enormous difference.

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    I'd replace theoretically with factually.

    This is a treatment that is administered through constant testing when done properly. A patient is not kept on the same levels of injection of testosterone until the end of time. Levels change as does the prescribed amount.

    This does not happen in abuse when the individual gets a random, often high level of testosterone and uses liberally. Proper amounts need to be administered so that one does not short-circuit their natural production from the testes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post

    One is taken at 195lbs, unflexed, different lighting. One is taken 4 years later, with better focus and finances supporting better training; at 185. As Simplejack noted, it was also after he bulked up to 205 and may have retained size with an increase in the technology of weight cutting--and of course, with different pose, tension and lighting.

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    ACtually, everyone and yourself are incorrect. That side by side comparison of the Belfort weigh in pics...the one on the left is when Vitor faced Silva at UFC 126, Feb. 4th, 2011. So that is Vitor 2 years ago, weighing in at 185lbs, not 4 years ago at 195lb.

    You can clearly see in the background, on the right side of the pics, it says Silva under the UFC logo, and Belfort under the UFC logo right above Vitor's shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMA4EVERRR View Post
    ACtually, everyone and yourself are incorrect. That side by side comparison of the Belfort weigh in pics...the one on the left is when Vitor faced Silva at UFC 126, Feb. 4th, 2011. So that is Vitor 2 years ago, weighing in at 185lbs, not 4 years ago at 195lb.

    You can clearly see in the background, on the right side of the pics, it says Silva under the UFC logo, and Belfort under the UFC logo right above Vitor's shoulder.
    Nice. I'd read somewhere on the site it was from the Franklin fight, and didn't bother to check any deeper than that.

    Although the points can still be made: in between photos, he's had a complete retooling of his career, with both more focus and training; and in the two years since the first pic he bumped up to 205 to face Bones and started working with Dolce. It's not out of the question that he'd work to retain some of his size since he's probably cutting a higher percentage to make MW now.

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    No TRT exemption for those who've tested high in the past.
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    he should stop saying how young strong and fast he feels then it's only going to cause more people to ask him about his trt use
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    That leaves the UFC with a few different options: 1) Give Belfort a title shot in Brazil or some other location not known for its stringent oversight of MMA events (but, c'mon, probably Brazil), 2) Encourage him to apply for an exemption in Nevada, hoping that the more transparent approval process might legitimize his testosterone use, 3) Use the promise of a title shot to coerce him into getting off the juice and fight au naturel, or 4) Don't give him a shot at all.

    Option 1 is probably the easiest to implement, but also the riskiest. The UFC is the fight promotion that loves to boast about how it saved MMA by "running toward regulation," let's not forget. How would it look it if has to outsource a title fight just to enable the drug use of one of its fighters? And what if Belfort wins? What, we're going to keep the UFC middleweight champ in Brazil the way you'd lock a crazy relative in the attic?

    Options 2 and 3 look better, but one requires the NSAC to admit that it doesn't care how you ended up with low testosterone, and the other requires Belfort to admit that he doesn't really need TRT after all.

    Option 4 might seem like some form of karmic justice, but it's actually pretty unfair to Belfort since the UFC essentially would be punishing him for something it was totally fine with at one point, then changed its mind on when it become a public relations headache.

    The point is, there are really no good options here. Not for the UFC, and not for Belfort. Is he the No. 1 contender? Based purely on wins and losses, absolutely. Can the UFC tiptoe around the testosterone issue all the way to a Belfort title fight, without tripping over its own feet somewhere along the way? I doubt it.
    Best part of the article as it is 100% spot on. Ball is in the UFCs court now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillbillyDeluxe View Post
    Vitor vs Jacare makes sense and would be a sick fight, especially since they both were virtually unscathed and should be ready to go again fairly soon without too much downtime. I think that is a much better idea of keeping them active and waiting for the winner of Silva/Weidman as well as giving Souza a legit chance to stake his claim as a contender for the belt now that Rockhold got taken down a notch.

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    Good idea. I like Vitor Vs Jacare a lot. That fight has the potential to be a block buster but can Vitor deal with Jacare's wrestling?
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