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  1. Default Coming to terms with the oddness of Silva vs. Weidman

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    After the initial shock of Anderson Silva being knocked down and finished by challenger Chris Weidman at UFC 162's main event last night -- a moment that delighted some fans and devastated others -- some observers of what transpired may have been left with a feeling of uneasiness in the immediate aftermath. I myself am still trying to get a grip on the sequence that ended Silva's night, without even thinking about it being the abrupt halt to the best UFC win and title defence streak in the promotion's not-quite 20 year history.

    Chris Weidman had the backing of many fans, pundits and peers who believed that he had a very real chance of winning. In Weidman's own mind, he believed he would win with internal doubts being minimal-to-none. It's hard to believe though that anyone in their right mind would have picked Weidman to knock down Silva and finish him with strikes in the second round.

    Silva was the favourite in the stand up by a mile, and after the initial success of Weidman using his takedown and ground fighting skills in the first, blending his experience as a Division I collegiate wrestler with his prodigal absorption of the jiu jitsu game, it appeared Silva had figured Weidman out by the half way point in the opening stanza. Silva's timing, speed and footwork were all on point and for many it just felt like it was a matter of time before Silva set Weidman up for the kill.

    Instead we witnessed what appeared to be a case of Silva breaking the cardinal rule of many striking disciplines when he failed to keep his hands up and got clipped by a Weidman left hook. For any other fighter, I could readily accept this as reason enough for the end of their night. We see it often at the lower level where either fatigue or inexperience perhaps combined with cockiness causes the dropping of their guard leaving them open to attack.

    Anderson Silva though, is better than that. The aforementioned timing, speed and footwork of Anderson Silva is still several levels above his contemporaries, his technique and skill so solid that he can use feints and fakes to snake charm opponents before landing pin precision strikes. Anderson Silva is not someone who typically has a low fight IQ, and yet his in-ring theatrics that are meant to frustrate and deceive the men standing across the cage from him last night reached a new height of absurdness.

    Not since Silva's Charlie Chaplin routine of hiding behind the referee in his fight with Demian Maia have we seen him act such the fool inside the Octagon, but last night his wobbly-kneed antics trumped his Abu Dhabi shenanigans. When Weidman initially tagged him, Silva appeared caught on the back foot as he tried to gesticulate the feigned trouble he was in; two punches later he was down on his back getting hit further until Herb Dean waved off the bout.

    It's hard to recall though the last time Silva's weight was shifted to the back and he was that prone to gravity outside perhaps a couple of the exchanges he had with Chael Sonnen in their first fight, where Sonnen parleyed his move-forward punching into takedown opportunities. Usually when Siva is on the back foot, he's stable enough to land counter punches, and it's brief enough for him to circle out of the path he's being forced down.

    Some unreasonable fans have called the fight a fix, even some believing Silva bet on Weidman to win to make a ton of money at the bookmakers and that he was looking to get knocked down. Such claims are largely unwarranted as it's too difficult to fix fights of this magnitude without an investigation uncovering such blatant corruption, and it doesn't consider the money Silva would be giving up now the prospect of super-fights featuring him and Georges St. Pierre or Jon Jones are dead and buried.

    The unfortunate reality is likely this: the best fighter we've ever seen in Mixed Martial Arts acted like an amateur and paid the consequences. We just have to accept the oddness of it.
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    How the hell does anyone think what Anderson did was odd? That's his game. Why is it so hard to believe that his game just didn't work this time? Nothing he did was out of the ordinary. The only thing different was he fought a guy who was able to beat him at his game.

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    The only thing that was remotely weird about the fight is that Anderson fought someone that wasn't intimidated of him. Anderson did the same arrogant showboating that he always does and this time he paid for it. Plain and simple.

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    Honestly, I think the only thing he did out of the ordinary was the whole faking being hurt thing. I've never see him shrink down and wobble his legs, pretending to be hurt.

    I don't want to take anything away from Weidman, but I honestly thing anyone with some decent punching power, that simply didn't fall into his "plan" would have knocked his ass out far more devastatingly. I mean Hendo ko'ing Bisping type of KO, where he would have been out, and still got sledgehammerered in the face while he was out cold. The reason I say this is Weidman's follow-up punches. They weren't exactly pin-point accurate, in fact most of them missed the mark. From the replays, there were only 2-3 punches that even landed...not that it made a difference.

    Two things here. First and foremost, I hope Anderson learns a huge lesson here, and gets rid of his ego, and stops clowning around altogether. I also hope that Weidman watches the tape and works with a legit boxing trainer and improves his striking accuracy. As a new champion, who just KO'd Anderson Silva, I hope he learns from this fight & potential weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    I don't want to take anything away from Weidman
    But you're about to...

    but I honestly thing anyone with some decent punching power, that simply didn't fall into his "plan" would have knocked his ass out far more devastatingly.
    So Weidman knocked out the best MMA striker of all time and it wasn't good enough for you...

    The reason I say this is Weidman's follow-up punches. They weren't exactly pin-point accurate, in fact most of them missed the mark. From the replays, there were only 2-3 punches that even landed...not that it made a difference.
    Because its really easy to hit Anderson Silva with punches...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy Larry View Post
    How the hell does anyone think what Anderson did was odd? That's his game. Why is it so hard to believe that his game just didn't work this time? Nothing he did was out of the ordinary. The only thing different was he fought a guy who was able to beat him at his game.
    He didn't do any of that stuff when he fought Hendo or Franklin (except for a tiny bit the 2nd fight). So if it is "a part of his game", it doesn't need to be. Most of the opponents he did that stuff extensively with weren't as dangerous as Weidman. It doesn't mean Weidman didn't do a great job himself, but by no means did Anderson fight the best that he could...which was totally on him.

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    That was a weird fight. Weidman was doing well with his ground and pound, and then gives up position to go for a leglock? WTF? Then Silva clowns around, practically begging to get knocked out, and Weidman obliges him. Kudos to Weidman for getting the finish but damn, could Silva have made that any easier? I mean, Weidman landed a standing front backfist for cripes sake! As if Silva couldn't have blocked that!

    Weidman is a great competitor, his takedowns and top-game are some of the best in all of MMA, but that I really think Silva could have destroyed him if he had bothered to try harder.
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    in the back of my mind I remember AS getting hit with a lot harder punches in the past. Not calling out CW as a puncher who lacks power but AS has an unbelievable Iron Clad chin.

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    congratulations to chris Weidman for a great win, he fought silva without any intimidation and with confidence. i'm a huge fan of silva and I really do believe that in second round he was getting in his rhythm, if it wasn't for him showboating and clowning, he would've destroyed Weidman.

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