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    Default Davis vs. Machida: Fight Metrics at odds with official score

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...fficial-score/

    Phil Davis received a unanimous decision win over Lyoto Machida Saturday night at UFC 163.

    The fans thought Machida easily did enough to win. The sentiment was expressed by UFC president Dana White, who is among other things a huge fan.

    "I had Machida winning all 3 rds," tweeted White, adding, "but that's what happens when u leave it up to the judges!"

    A side by side comparison of the official judge's score card and the often eerily correct Fight Metrics shows that not only were the judges all over the place, but that the statistical report shows the fight for Machida, unanimously, and for every round.

    Sal D'Amato
    Round 1: 10-9 Davis
    Round 2: 10-9 Davis
    Round 3: 9-10 Machida

    Chris Watts:
    Round 1: -10 Machida
    Round 2: 10-9 Davis
    Round 3: 10-9 Davis

    Rick WInter
    Round 1: 10-9 Davis
    Round 2: 10-9 Davis
    Round 3: 9-10 Machida







    UFC 163's Phil Davis on judges' decisions: 'You forfeit your right to be upset'
    http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/0...ht-to-be-upset

    "Fighting is an emotional thing," he said after the pay-per-view co-headliner. "If I had lost this fight, I would be like, 'I didn't lose that fight, and they know it.' That's how it is. You put all you have into it. So everyone who was a Lyoto fan, I understand where you're coming from. It's an emotional thing. You're cheering for your guy. He's a Brazilian. I can imagine how that feels. So no, I'm not disrespected."

    Davis (12-1 MMA, 8-1 UFC) scored a few timely takedowns and avoided most of the karate specialist's substantial strikes. However, most media outlets scored the fight for Machida (19-4 MMA, 11-4 UFC), who earned a 30-27 score on MMAjunkie.com's scorecard.

    But if Davis were in Machida's shoes and were on the other side of the 29-28 scores, he also knows he'd have little excuse to complain.

    "I know how this works," Davis said. "Anytime it goes to the judges, you forfeit your right to be upset. You've just got to give it to the judges, and whatever they say is what they say."

    But how did Davis personally score it?

    "Obviously, I think I actually won," he said. "Why wouldn't I think that?"

    The former NCAA Division I national wrestling champion, who made a great stride in the division with a win over such a noted striker, still wants to rewatch the fight before he makes an official declaration. After all, he said, his initial view of the bout was much different than the one fans experienced cageside or on television. Sure, he felt he cut off angles well, and against an elusive and hard-to-target opponent like Machida, that's no easy feat.

    But he understands if it didn't translate for at-home viewers.

    "I have to watch it on TV when I get home," he said. "It's so hard to know which rounds you won when you're watching it first-person. It looks completely different from where you're sitting from where I was. So I don't know. I'll have to go and check it out.

    "But the Brazilian crowd, they are loud. It was a really hostile environment. They were cheering loud for Lyoto."

    Davis tried to remain upbeat after the fight, even though he knows he's probably persona non grata in the South American country today. Still, he wouldn't mind a return trip to Brazil, where he's 2-0 against Brazilian opponent. Next time, though, he doesn't want to fight a local.

    "As for fighting in Rio, it's not a bad place to fight," he said. "But I want to fight an American down here next. No more of this. Come on, guys. Get the crowd on my side."



    Lyoto Machida says 'positive thinking' key to coping with difficult loss
    http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/0...difficult-loss

    "I believe Phil was not looking to attack, was not going forward and was trying to score points at the end of rounds," Machida said. "But this is not a wrestling match. This is MMA, and I think that the judges need to be more attentive to details. They need to look for who is going forward the most.

    "By the end of the fight he was hurt and bleeding. I managed to land several strikes."

    Davis and Machida met in the co-main event of Saturday's UFC 163 event, which took place in Rio de Janeiro's HSBC Arena and aired on pay-per-view. According to FightMetric official statistics, Machida held an edge in significant strikes at 27-21. He also showed impressive grappling prowess, stopping eight of Davis' 10 takedown attempts.

    The statistic company's own scoring methods produced a 30-27 result for Machida. Yet it was Davis who was declared the winner, 29-28 on all cards, when the scores of judges Sal D'Amato, Chris Watts and Rick Winter were revealed.

    The crowd went ballistic when the result was read, but Davis believes the scores indicate judges are not driven by hometown influences they way it is often suggested.

    "A lot of people could think that because the fight was so close and in Brazil that the judges could have been biased," Davis said. "But they scored it how they scored it, and I think it is proof that they do the best work they can and that there is no bias."

    That's little consolation for Machida, who was promised a title shot with a February win over Dan Henderson but now sees that hope vanish. Machida, who admitted he was also battling through a foot injury suffered 10 days out from the fight, was visibly frustrated at the evening's post-event press conference but said he would try to remain positive as he returns to the gym in hopes of starting again another run at the belt.

    "I just have to have positive thinking," Machida said. "I can't keep crying. We know what happened. Let's see what the future reserves for us."
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    Should offset that debacle of a win he holds over shogun.
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    http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/8/4/...-wants-rematch
    Lyoto Machida 'unhappy' with judges' decision at UFC 163, wants rematch with Phil Davis




    Dana White thinks Lyoto Machida 'definitely' defeated Phil Davis in Rio
    http://www.mmamania.com/2013/8/4/458...-lyoto-machida
    Even well respected color commentator, Brian Stann, spoke often about Machida out striking Davis, as well as doing a wonderful job of using a "whizzer" to avoid most take downs.

    "Davis really needs to do something here -- to have any chance of winning this fight."

    Stann was not alone in his opinion. In fact, UFC President Dana White -- who is known to be tougher than most on judging in the sport -- scored the bout in favor of the former 205-pound champion three rounds to zero.

    He explained his unofficial decision to Yahoo!Sports:

    "Machida definitely won that fight, definitely. But, that's his fault. He knows MMA judging sucks. It's terrible, it's [expletive], but he went out there and let him do it. I can't remember whether it was the first or the second, but Machida had that combination where he threw all those punches and ran across the cage and ended with that knee. That's when he's really good. But, he wants to stay back and be a counter puncher and wait and fight cautiously. He's got the abilities, but he just doesn't bring it. He loves the counter and he got taken down at the end of both rounds."

    It's no secret that the sport needs to do something to rectify the recurring trend of poor judging. The fact that the main story line coming out of a premier event for the largest mixed martial arts (MMA) company in the world is the lack of quality officiating/judging on a regular basis is something of major concern.

    And it's not a good look for a sport with inherent image issues.

    As much as the loss will negatively effect Machida, the win will positively impact the ascension of Davis, who was ranked No. 7 by Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) heading into this weekend.

    The 205-pound standout was ecstatic following the fight (via FUEL TV):

    "I think I definitely did enough -- I trust the judges. They gave me the nod and I have to say thanks. This is his home country, I know it was a close fight -- I was in there, I had fists grazing my head the whole time, I know. It's one of those things where when you're so close to the action, you have no idea how it looks on the outside. A lot of times I watch fights and I go home and say, 'Wow! That looked a lot different than a first-person perspective.' I was thinking, 100 percent, this is close, please go my way."

    Go his way it did.

    It's a reaction that is completely opposite to Machida's, who was at a loss for words following the decision. In his post-fight interview he pointed out the crowd's anger and cited that its reaction was cause for controversy.

    He remarked:

    "I really don't know what they are judging, Just listen to the crowd. They're telling you what is happening."
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    I'm going to have to re-watch the fight but at the time my friends and I had Davis winning it 29-28.
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    "I believe Phil was not looking to attack, was not going forward and was trying to score points at the end of rounds," Machida said. "But this is not a wrestling match. This is MMA, and I think that the judges need to be more attentive to details. They need to look for who is going forward the most."

    Dont quite agree with Machida here. Phil was cutting a lot of angles and coming forward throughout the whole fight. He was staying aggressive, even in the 3rd round when he was eating some strikes. Phil Davis is a wrestler, and that's a big part of his skill set, and he transitions it into GnP or sub attempts, so again I don't understand why Machida believes Phil was trying to take him down and just hold him there.

    Irregardless of how controversial the decision was, kudos for Phil Davis. I did not expect this kind of performance from him. His best weapon was his wrestling, but he has really improved his striking a lot. He was right there in front of Machida and landing some decent strikes against an elusive fighter. It's hard to believe but he put on a better striking performance against Machida than Thiago Silva, Rashad, Rampage, Jones, Couture did. Phil looked great, even if the judges HAD awarded it to Machida. He fought a great fight against a much better, stealthy fighter.

    I did have Machida squeaking by in the first 2 rounds, winning the 3rd easy but at this point all MMA fighters should be aware how these judges score fights. You can't do enough to think you won the round and expect the judges to agree with you. Machida has been in very close decision fights, and he really should be aware that his fights are closely scored. He needs to tweak his game a bit to portray he is winning more convincingly.

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    I think Davis was "game" but he wasn't the boss in the cage. It's clear he could hardly get anything working for him. The last part of the 2nd round was the most effective he had been during the entire fight. And I would have scored that round a draw at best for him. Some guys are not going to be finished, I wish Dana would stop with that nonsense. When you have two highly skilled fighters, sometimes you're going to have decisions. Had Machida rushed in and gotten taken down, he would be criticizing his decision saying he should have been more patient. Lyoto can't win either way.....
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    I had Machida's flurry winning him the first and the knees and counters winning him the third and if pushed, probably would've given him the second too, which was where Phil did his best offense.

    IMO, this wasn't as close of a decision as Hendo/Machida was and to be honest, I was pretty shocked at the decision.

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    I wanted Phil to win and even had some money riding on him, but I thought Machida did just enough in all 3 rounds to get a 30-27. Phil held his own and made each round close, but he never looked like he was in control.
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    Machida didn't do enough offensive striking in the rounds 1 and 2 to distance himself enough from Davis to keep the takedowns from not mattering. Since the striking was fairly close when Davis scored the late takedowns it took the round away from Machida. He fought the gameplan he had to fight in order to beat Machida. Keep the score close, land the takedown, steal the round. It worked to a T and I was not shocked at all by the decision, I felt Davis won the fight based on the scoring system in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    Machida didn't do enough offensive striking in the rounds 1 and 2 to distance himself enough from Davis to keep the takedowns from not mattering. Since the striking was fairly close when Davis scored the late takedowns it took the round away from Machida. He fought the gameplan he had to fight in order to beat Machida. Keep the score close, land the takedown, steal the round. It worked to a T and I was not shocked at all by the decision, I felt Davis won the fight based on the scoring system in place.
    Your wrestling bias is so absurd sometimes.

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