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Thread: Davis vs. Machida: Fight Metrics at odds with official score

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    It wasn't a robbery, the fight was close, so I have no problem with Davis getting the nod. He did land more strikes total, which does count for a lot unfortunately, don't blame me, those are the rules. Officially Davis had two takedowns and Machida had none, so we can't really say Machida won that department either. Maybe an argument could be made for Machida in terms of Octagon control, but that's hardly enough to say he earned a UD. It looks like two of the judges could have got it right, while Chris Watts seems out to lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _DCdoctr_ View Post
    So stuffed takedowns aren't considered any form of control? Hmmm...



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    And the one round where stuffed every takedown he won.

    Remember the guy who is constantly attacking is going to get the nod. Even missing on a takedown is still showing agression and octagon control. People tend to forget that there is a huge risk going for takedowns. How many times have seen well timed knees or guillotine chokes end fights? Make legit attempts at takedowns is always a risk and a fighter deserves to be rewarded for the risk.
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    Seriously who on earth can score round 3 for Davis???? It was Machida all the way.

    First round was very close but IMO Machida won it, second round was clearly for Davis, and 3rd round was extremely clear for Lyoto.
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    Really disappointed with the outcome, but not shocked. I scored in 29-28 for Machida with Davis taking the 2nd round where he actually did something after his TD. At best it was a draw, but I don't think Davis did enough to get W from the fight. But that's MMA judging at it's "best", get a late TD in the round and do nothing with it and you will still win the round.

    And wait... what? Someone actually had Davis taking all 3 of the rounds? What the...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Does negation equal a positive?
    I would say yes that if one stuffs a TD and then uses it to mount an offense then a positive should be had; and not solely from the offense, but from using the stuffed TD to go on the offensive. Now if one simply stuffs the TD and does nothing with it then the stuff and TD should negate. However, I can't help but think that there should be some value in controlling the situation by stuffing a TD.

    Yes, it's risky to shoot in for a TD, but if a competitor is going to get points from a mere TD attempt then there definitely needs to be points for stuffing it/controlling the manuever. Otherwise there would be a legitimate assumption that scoring favors wrestling/TDs. One could potentially shoot in unsuccessfully the duration of the match and score points to win a decision, provided that zero strikes are thrown at said wrestlers in this hypothetical proposition.

    If stuffs are cipher then negation would equal a positive for the one who performs an unsuccessful TD attempt(s), especially if the latter receives points on merit of risk alone.

    On the flipside, one would have to argue that stuffs alone shouldn't win fights either. To me it's what you do with the takedown or stuff. Hopping on someone in the final 30 seconds only to do nothing with it shouldn't be scored the same as a TD that is followed up by transitions or maneuvers that lead to better positioning for subs or strikes. Sticking to the same with stuffs: stuffing a TD shouldn't be scored the same as a stuff that is followed up by a counter that moves the stuffer (laugh it up) into an advantageous position than they were pre-shot.

    Maybe I'm just being naive, but judging needs to become more of a science. Judges, especially MMA judges should have to undergo extra schooling than is currently accepted, be tested (national or unified boards), and be required to maintain CE credits. When all the criteria is met they should be paid for their expertise rather than the little payment they're receiving at this juncture. Can I finish? Can I finish? (-Ross Perot).

    This brings us to who would fund this deal. Surely there is a way that the UFC could help back the commissions to finance this endeavor, that is, without corruption tainting its purity. I believe that if judges are gonna get their act together then the science of judging MMA needs a massive update to facilitate its evolution. As difficult as it would be to learn, people would commit their lives to it if they were required to receive a doctorate level of training and analogous level of monetary compensation was to be had for their performance. But then again, I'm most probably being naive.




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    Quote Originally Posted by _DCdoctr_ View Post
    Who cares??? I'm the one who had to look my wife in the eyes after donning my Machida Black House shirt all evening just to witness that travesty of a decision. I sat on my couch, complete with smug look, gloating how Machida had it in the bag. I heard "by unanimous decision"...arms raised..."Mr. Wonderful, Phil Davis!"...slowly adducting...feelings of shame and dirtiness...my wife's eyes. Those eyes. Who cares, you ask? Sir, how dare you!?



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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordofAres View Post
    It's not the judges job to "figure Machida out" it's their job to score the fight.

    Landing a take down with seconds left in the round and doing nothing with it should not win the round. There is no way Davis won that fight.
    And yet...he did...haha

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    One of the judges gave Davis the third round, that on its own should tell you how terrible he is at his job. I can see the argument that the first two rounds were very close, I wouldnt give Phil either just because he had 10-30 seconds of top control but giving the last round to Phil is just ignoring the fight altogether.

    Machida controlled the fight,landed the better and more powerful strikes, stuffed a large majority of TD's and was never in danger even when he was on his back for the combined 30-40 seconds.
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    UFC 163's Phil Davis on judges' decisions: 'You forfeit your right to be upset'

    http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/0...ht-to-be-upset

    Phil Davis knows Saturday's UFC 163 win over fellow light-heavyweight contender Lyoto Machida was a controversial one – even if the bout hadn't taken place in his opponent's home country, where Brazilians occasionally are gifted decisions.

    So when it comes to the type of close unanimous-decision victory he picked up at Rio de Janeiro's HSBC Arena, Davis said he understands that it may be unpopular with many fans.

    "Fighting is an emotional thing," he said after the pay-per-view co-headliner. "If I had lost this fight, I would be like, 'I didn't lose that fight, and they know it.' That's how it is. You put all you have into it. So everyone who was a Lyoto fan, I understand where you're coming from. It's an emotional thing. You're cheering for your guy. He's a Brazilian. I can imagine how that feels. So no, I'm not disrespected."
    Davis (12-1 MMA, 8-1 UFC) scored a few timely takedowns and avoided most of the karate specialist's substantial strikes. However, most media outlets scored the fight for Machida (19-4 MMA, 11-4 UFC), who earned a 30-27 score on MMAjunkie.com's scorecard.

    But if Davis were in Machida's shoes and were on the other side of the 29-28 scores, he also knows he'd have little excuse to complain.
    "I know how this works," Davis said. "Anytime it goes to the judges, you forfeit your right to be upset. You've just got to give it to the judges, and whatever they say is what they say."
    But how did Davis personally score it?
    "Obviously, I think I actually won," he said. "Why wouldn't I think that?"
    The former NCAA Division I national wrestling champion, who made a great stride in the division with a win over such a noted striker, still wants to rewatch the fight before he makes an official declaration. After all, he said, his initial view of the bout was much different than the one fans experienced cageside or on television. Sure, he felt he cut off angles well, and against an elusive and hard-to-target opponent like Machida, that's no easy feat.

    But he understands if it didn't translate for at-home viewers.

    "I have to watch it on TV when I get home," he said. "It's so hard to know which rounds you won when you're watching it first-person. It looks completely different from where you're sitting from where I was. So I don't know. I'll have to go and check it out.

    "But the Brazilian crowd, they are loud. It was a really hostile environment. They were cheering loud for Lyoto."
    Davis tried to remain upbeat after the fight, even though he knows he's probably persona non grata in the South American country today. Still, he wouldn't mind a return trip to Brazil, where he's 2-0 against Brazilian opponent. Next time, though, he doesn't want to fight a local.

    "As for fighting in Rio, it's not a bad place to fight," he said. "But I want to fight an American down here next. No more of this. Come on, guys. Get the crowd on my side."
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