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    Many fans and media have called Georges St-Pierre the best wrestler in MMA despite the fact that St-Pierre never wrestled competively. The notion however, is INSANE, if you ask Bellator champion and Olympic wrestler Ben Askren:

    The notion that he's the best wrestler is insane to me. He's got a great double leg and good timing, but just watching him, you see a lot of areas he's just not a natural wrestler. He doesn't flow as well as other wrestlers. If Johny Hendricks is training his wrestling, which that's a mistake that a lot of wrestlers make is they get out of it and they think they got to get better at striking and jiu jitsu and they totally forget about their wrestling. I did that for a couple of months earlier in my career and I learned. But they totally step away from wrestling and they get so rusty and they lose a lot of those battles. If Johny Hendricks is staying on point and getting some wrestling in, which hopefully he's smart enough to do, he'll definitely outwrestle Georges St. Pierre.

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    This ain't wrestlin'. This is MMA.
    this is about winnin' fights. GSP will keep u on your feet eating jabs till he decides you've had enough.
    thanks for comin out Ben.

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    Exactly. When that is written or said about GSP, it is referring to "MMA wrestling".

    So Ben, how do you explain GSP dominating Josh Koscheck? Jay Hieron? And any other top wrestlers that he has fought?

    Question for members here;
    How does Askren stack up against the aforementioned wrestlers, in a "MMA-wrestling" sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan the man 67 View Post
    Question for members here;
    How does Askren stack up against the aforementioned wrestlers, in a "MMA-wrestling" sense?
    I'd put him near the top
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan the man 67 View Post
    Exactly. When that is written or said about GSP, it is referring to "MMA wrestling".

    So Ben, how do you explain GSP dominating Josh Koscheck? Jay Hieron? And any other top wrestlers that he has fought?

    Question for members here;
    How does Askren stack up against the aforementioned wrestlers, in a "MMA-wrestling" sense?
    You haven't seen the Hieron fight have you? GSP only had one or 2 takedown attempts that were easily stuffed . He just completely worked him on the feet. The first Koscheck fight I think kos was just surprised by gsps wrestling and got caught off guard. In the rematch the wrestling was very even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalebarker View Post
    You haven't seen the Hieron fight have you? GSP only had one or 2 takedown attempts that were easily stuffed . He just completely worked him on the feet. The first Koscheck fight I think kos was just surprised by gsps wrestling and got caught off guard. In the rematch the wrestling was very even.
    It has been a while since I have seen the Hieron fight.

    Kos getting caught off guard? Okay, so he was caught off guard the 1st time he was put on his back. He should have been able to respond and alter his gameplan accordingly after being caught off-guard. That is not an excuse that is applicable after said 1st takedown.

    I think GSP still had the edge in their 2nd fight. If a national Division 1 champ like Kos couldn't utilize his wrestling to dominate GSP, I cannot see any other wrestler doing a whole lot better, not enough to win a fight based predominantly on wrestling skill. GSP's wrestling abilities are enough to neutralize the very best of wrestlers, forcing them to go to other skills to try and win a fight. Askren's other skills are nowhere close to being enough to take GSP.

    If Askren comes to the UFC, I think it will be a massive wake-up call for him. It is like going from the minor leagues to the majors...... The very best are in the UFC, and he hasn't faced any of them yet.

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    Strangely enough, Koscheck went to Askren to train for the second GSP fight I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    Strangely enough, Koscheck went to Askren to train for the second GSP fight I believe.
    And GSP only landed 3 of 9 takedowns on a man with one eye. So I guess it helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan the man 67 View Post
    It has been a while since I have seen the Hieron fight.
    Neither fighter was at the level they later developed into...but Georges really won that one striking.

    Kos getting caught off guard? Okay, so he was caught off guard the 1st time he was put on his back. He should have been able to respond and alter his gameplan accordingly after being caught off-guard. That is not an excuse that is applicable after said 1st takedown.
    Watch this one again, too. I know you're a huge GSP fan, but from your posts I trust that you can suspend bias and really check it out. Kos did respond well to the TD in their first fight. Georges was the one who had to alter his gameplan...he switched to a much more strike-heavy game plan for the rest of the fight. Go back and watch it again before buying into the revisionist history that Georges "totally outwrestled" Kos. He didn't. Georges caught at TD early, got reversed, and then got stuffed. He then imposed a symphony of jabs and striking at range to keep Kos off balance for the rest of the night, mixing in the TD when Kos left an opening. His best grappling was his top control in the second round.

    I think GSP still had the edge in their 2nd fight. If a national Division 1 champ like Kos couldn't utilize his wrestling to dominate GSP, I cannot see any other wrestler doing a whole lot better, not enough to win a fight based predominantly on wrestling skill.
    In the second fight, the grappling was even closer until the championship rounds, where Georges' legendary conditioning served him the most. But again, you were looking at St. Pierre fluidly mixing in versatile strikes from range to prevent Koscheck from ever gaining equilibrium, and then exploiting opportunity as soon as it was presented.

    Of course he'd do the same thing to Askren. Minimally, Askren had his hands full with Hieron. I still have Jay winning that fight.

    GSP's wrestling abilities are enough to neutralize the very best of wrestlers, forcing them to go to other skills to try and win a fight. Askren's other skills are nowhere close to being enough to take GSP.
    I think it would look a lot like the second Kos fight.

    But that doesn't mean that either of them wouldn't light Georges up if strikes were removed from the equation.

    If Askren comes to the UFC, I think it will be a massive wake-up call for him. It is like going from the minor leagues to the majors...... The very best are in the UFC, and he hasn't faced any of them yet.
    I think he'd do pretty well until he got to the top 5, even as a one-trick pony. His one trick is that good.

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