"Dana White, if you think my attitude was not positive inside the Octagon, I ask you with an open-hearted man, that you forgive me, I'm sorry, okay? Because this was not my intention.
"But I respect the decision of the UFC and Dana White. So what you decide, for me, is decide it
MMA Quick Quote: Jon Fitch would 'turn down' fight with Rousimar Palhares
"It was a second offense," said Fitch. "Holding onto a submission too long, especially with a joint lock like that. You're talking about ending someone's career potentially. I think it was the right move (to release him). I personally wouldn't accept a fight with [Palhares] because of those. One time maybe, but not twice. I would never even compete against him honestly. If he's got that long of a history of holding onto them too long, his career should probably be done because no one should take a fight with him or a grappling match with him for that matter. It would be the first time in my career that I turned down a fight."
Alex Davis: Rousimar Palhares, from transgressor to victim of public opinion
lolNext thing that will happen, is that Rousimar – through a simple, crazy media frenzy – will become such a monster that parents will tell their kids at home, "Behave, or Rousimar Palhares will come and get you."
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The comparing this to a knockout with shots landed afterward is ridiculous. It makes me think of Matt Brown vs Drago. At one point Brown looks at the ref like "dude, what the fuck are you doing? Just stop the fight." And continues to hit him until the ref stops the fight. That's what they're trained to do.
Holding on to a sub after someone taps or the ref tries to pull them off is totally different. And doing it multiple times is completely inexcusable.
"He's got big balls. I like that." -Josh Koschek on Frank Trigg's balls.
In my opinion, the line between MMA as a gentleman's sport, and a combat sport has been blurred to some extent. In a perfect world, when one fighter tapped, the other fighter would immediately be aware of it, and release the sub without any ref intervention; and the tapping fighter would acknowledge that he or she tapped.
But that unwritten agreement doesn't exist, and it's impossible to definitively categorize what situations warrant one fighter withdrawing or ceasing their attack, based on another fighter's predicament; it's also unfair to place that kind of decision making on the fighter, that's not their job. That's the referee's job.
Given what I think is a grey area in the sport, I don't think Palhares should have immediately been banned. I think the professional thing to have done (Given Palhares past) would have been a sitdown, a review of the incident, and a discussion of expectations moving forward; while making it known he was on thin ice and was going to have no leeway in the future. But, perhaps that sitdown and discussion already happened, maybe that's why he's gone; I have no way of knowing.
Bottom line, Palhares was punished for doing his job without abiding an unwritten code of ethics; because he didn't hold onto that sub for any length of time after the ref jumped in.
He was tried and convicted in a court of public opinion.
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"If a man with no arms and a man with no legs started learning karate, the same light bulb would appear over every head in Japan. That’s right: Glue them together and see if it can kill a panda."
‘Angry’ Mike Pierce open to Rousimar Palhares rematch, says UFC made right decision to cut 'Toquinho'
Appearing on "The MMA Hour," Pierce talked about the incident and gave an update on the status of his ankle and knee:
"It's feeling a lot better. I'm still a little angry as you expect me to be, but, tomorrow I go in and get the MRI to see the exact extent of the damage on my knee and my ankle. Right now, it's feeling okay, I can walk and put weight on it. There could be a real issue there, I'm just not 100-percent sure. I can't describe it. I felt it pop a couple of times, once in my ankle and once in my knee. The MRI is going to be the determining factor to what the extent is."
As far as the "pops" Mike heard, he says he heard them after he tapped out:
"I felt it after the ref was already on top of us and I was tapping the ref so it was long after. It was after the fact. I think it's pretty clear to everybody who is looking at it honestly that he held on to it too long. I have no problem submitting if I'm caught or the potential of serious danger. That's why I tapped to begin with, because I knew I was caught and I wasn't getting out of it. But to hold on to it to the extent that he did, there was no reason for that, it was unnecessary. I was already giving up at that point because I knew I'd been caught."
Pierce gave his thoughts on whether or not Palhares has psychological issues:
"I'm not a psychologist nor do I really care, the fact of the matter is that he didn't let go and it's been a chronic problem for a long time so he needs to address the problem one way or another, how he does that, I really don't care, but it needs to be fixed."
Furthermore, Pierce said he wasn't too shocked Palhares pulled what he did, saying he almost expected something like that out of the Brazilian going into the fight based on his history (he called it):
Of course, I was expecting it. This has been a problem for him a long time. He got nailed for this in the UFC a couple fights back and even before he UFC he had problems with that at jiu-jitsu tournaments. I mean, didn't Bustamante just come out and say he did that in practice? Obviously, there is a history with this guy holding onto heel hooks. Whether it's intentional or unintentional, doesn't really matter, the fact of the matter is that he is hurting guys and people are tapping like I was and he is holding on to it for a just a fraction of a second too long to the point where it does damage."
As far as Rousimar being released by UFC, Pierce said it was the right decision to make:
"You know, that's up to Dana. I think he made the right decision. I think the commission made the right decision. This guy is hurting people and unnecessarily so. I understand if people get hurt, that's part of the sport and it's going to happen, but, to do what he did was very unsportsmanlike and pretty much goes against all the codes of conduct the UFC puts on us athletes."
In the end, Pierce says bottom line, Rousimar should have known better than to hold on longer than needed:
"Here is my point, the guy is a black belt in jiu-jitsu. My point is, he has plenty of experience in jiu-jitsu. He knows what the point of no return is, he knows how long is too long and there is no excuse for that, to go further than it needs to, unless you have bad intentions or really want to prove a point, maybe he has psychological issues, I don't know. I'm not a psychologist to make that decision, but I think he should have known better."
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