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Thread: Melvin Guillard vs. Ross Pearson Rematch Added to UFC's March 8 Event in London

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    GL Jeff nailed it on the rules. The replay Singgles showed didn't show enough info to call, but one they replayed clearly showed the first one no hands on the ground and the 2nd one his hand was close if not on the ground at the time of the strike. The reason Ross was putting his hand down will always be speculation, but when the knee started no hands were on the ground. In the end we get to see it again. The ref had to make a split second call and replays and the rules backed it as his call

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    However, on the "other hand", for the first one, Pearson's knee was down when Guillard started throwing the knee and came up before it made contact.

    So what happens if you were on the ground with hands touching and then raise your hands when you see the knee coming to try and block it? The hands are no longer on the ground when you get hit so not a problem under the rules?

    Quote Originally Posted by lwbrewer View Post
    GL Jeff nailed it on the rules. The replay Singgles showed didn't show enough info to call, but one they replayed clearly showed the first one no hands on the ground and the 2nd one his hand was close if not on the ground at the time of the strike. The reason Ross was putting his hand down will always be speculation, but when the knee started no hands were on the ground. In the end we get to see it again. The ref had to make a split second call and replays and the rules backed it as his call

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    ound this interesting...





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    Ross could have and should have used that hand to defend against the knee by blocking it. Melvin was throwing the knee before Ross's hand touch the ground, it was too late for Melvin to pull it back and there was no way he could see Ross's hand. That should have been a TKO. Melvin got robbed and now he has to waste time on a rematch in March when he could have been stepping up again and making a serious run. What a waste......
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    http://www.mmamania.com/2013/10/27/5...manchester-mma

    But, was the knee illegal? "Young Assassin" doesn't seem to think so, as he revealed in his interview on the post-fight show:

    "It was a close call. It could have been a hairline faster. I watched it and I thought it was legal because he went limp and was out already. I never would intentionally hurt one of my opponents. He's a friend of mine. It's a grey area. Rules are rules. They are there to protect us. I've been in MMA since before they had rules. I grew up with the sport and the rules are there to protect us. I was penalized by it and it was ruled a no contest. It sucks. I had him hurt and I could have finished him. I want to fight someone else now. I want to keep fighting. I want to fight on the December 28 card in Vegas, but I'll fight Ross again when he's ready. I'll come back to England."

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    I personally think it should knees down to be considered grounded. The touching stuff just flirts with disaster, and is an easy rule to abuse in an attempt to draw the foul... The first(legal) knee was the most damaging...

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    Referee Marc Goddard '100 percent confident' in Guillard-Pearson no-contest ruling
    http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/10/2...ard-pearson-no
    "It wasn't the first knee that Melvin delivered," Goddard explained. "It was actually the second knee, and it was the second knee that opened up the cut.

    "I saw Ross' hand, and when I say hand, I mean his palm. His entire hand. It wasn't what we're used to before with the fingertips and playing the game, as me and a couple of other refs will allude to. This was a deliberate action, in terms of Ross making himself safe, putting his full hand down on the mat. The knee came in, connected with the forehead. That's what caused the cut. That's exactly what I saw, and that's why I stopped the fight at that time to deal with it."

    The severity of Pearson's cut ultimately led to the fight's premature conclusion, though afterward many observers questioned Goddard's decision to rule the bout a no contest rather than a disqualification win in Pearson's favor.

    To that end, the crux of Goddard's decision came down to intent.

    "It was very clear to me that Melvin delivered the two knees in quick succession, and he didn't have time to assess or see the position of Ross Pearson," Goddard explained.

    "Ross' hand went down, the second knee connected, and I think it was only fair and only just [for] both parties to rule it a no contest. There was certainly no, in my mind, intention from Melvin there to foul his opponent intentionally. And there was certainly no intention in my mind that Ross was playing a game. He was trying to be afforded the protection of being a downed fighter."

    The three-point stance rule, which allows a fighter to ‘play the game,' as Goddard says, and place his or hers fingertips on the canvas to prevent knees or kicks to the head, fell into question earlier this year in the aftermath of its role in Demetrious Johnson's flyweight title defense against John Dodson at UFC on FOX 6.

    The controversial rule has yet to be changed, though a new wrinkle is apparently already in effect.

    "What came out of [2013 ABC conference] was they understand that it goes on, but the defining factor came that it's up to the referee," Goddard revealed. "It's (up to) the referee's discretion to call whether a fighter is playing the game or not."

    With that knowledge in mind, Goddard defended his ruling at UFC Fight Night 30 by stating that in the process of placing his palm fully down on the canvas, Pearson made it clear that he wasn't attempting to ‘play a game.' Rather, he was simply taking advantage of the protection afforded to him by the Unified Rules of MMA.

    "If a fighter is in danger of being (hurt), they know what they're afforded to do," Goddard explained. "If you want to be a downed fighter, be a downed fighter. If it goes down to one knee, put your hand flat.

    "What I won't do, what I won't allow, and some fighters will testify, is if you're going to start playing the fingertip game, because that is playing a game. If you want to be afforded the protection of a downed fighter, then become a downed fighter. And quite clearly to me, that's what Ross Pearson did. When the first knee came in, he could see the danger of repeated knees. He put his hand flat on (mat), and unfortunately ... Melvin didn't have time to see that. He didn't have time to react, and I had to do what I had to do."

    Guillard and Pearson are now scheduled to rematch their lightweight tilt on March 8, 2014 in London, England. And while Goddard is positive he made the right call, he added that due to system in place, it was a call he had to make in real time, without the extensive use of instant replay.

    "I think the obvious answer is yes, because there are things we all miss. We're human beings," Goddard responded when asked if instant replay belongs in mixed martial arts.

    "Sometimes something can happen on the blind side of us. [Referees] can't take the word of someone on the outside or someone from an opposing camp, or the fighter's camp themselves. So I think video replays do have their place in MMA, certainly when there's a lot at stake."

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    i was out duck hunting and never got to watch it but sounds like some bull shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    Ross could have and should have used that hand to defend against the knee by blocking it. Melvin was throwing the knee before Ross's hand touch the ground, it was too late for Melvin to pull it back and there was no way he could see Ross's hand. That should have been a TKO. Melvin got robbed and now he has to waste time on a rematch in March when he could have been stepping up again and making a serious run. What a waste......
    And I got robbed on my parlay, since I picked Melvin to win and had all my other picks come out victorious
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