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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    People can claim Belfort's recent success is a result of the TRT treatment all they want..
    Yes they can cause there is a pretty obvious link to his recent resurgence as a fighter and him undergoing TRT. Not a matter of whether he is abusing or not in that regard but hard to totally ignore it.

    But the fact is, Belfort is probably the most tested TRT approved fighter in the UFC. Being the most regulated user, Vitor is definitely not abusing TRT as he would never get away with it at this point.
    It would seem to me that Barnett and Overeem are taking some pretty regular tests as well as GSP currently doing the VADA yesting... What testing is Vitor going through ? (Not arguing the quote just curious on your source of this)

    TRT was the only reason for Vitor's recent success, how would people explain away other TRT users failures to go on a significant run? Forrest Griffin, Rampage Jackson, Frank Mir, Nate Marquardt, Chael Sonnen, Dan Henderson and the list goes on.
    A few you mentioned here were not succcessfull because there motivation/mentality was not there anymore. You can;t say both Sonnen and Henderson have been failures while on TRT they've both had some good runs of wins at various points. In Dan's case TRT doesn't stop you from falling in love with the overhand right and thinking you can't be knocked out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    I was just illustrating that hypocrisy that everyone says Dana does all the time. Now the Vitor supports and quoting Dana like he literally has said the opposite towards TRT. Funny man, this is too funny.
    Most of the time you are backing Dana's words; apparently, though, not when it comes to your hate boner for Belfort.

    Nice try in saying that I am one of the masses. I support Chael and think that Dana White says/does whatever it takes to maximize the amount of cash he makes regardless of morality or truth. People are simply trying to highlight your denial of your own hypocrisy due to your aforementioned self-righteous indignation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post



    It would seem to me that Barnett and Overeem are taking some pretty regular tests as well as GSP currently doing the VADA yesting... What testing is Vitor going through ? (Not arguing the quote just curious on your source of this)
    It has been mentioned numerous times, Vitor's testosterone levels are tested on an almost weekly basis and he is the only one who has to do blood tests.

    Yes, Reem, Josh and GSP are all tested out the ass but I was talking about those on TRT. Vitor is likely to be the one who follows his levels the closest due to additional testing.



    A few you mentioned here were not succcessfull because there motivation/mentality was not there anymore. You can;t say both Sonnen and Henderson have been failures while on TRT they've both had some good runs of wins at various points. In Dan's case TRT doesn't stop you from falling in love with the overhand right and thinking you can't be knocked out
    My point was, TRT is not the magic bullet that some are making it out to be. As you just mentioned, a fighter also needs natural ability, training and heart. So the fact Vitor is on TRT is not the account for his recent success.


    Dont get me wrong, this new TRT Vitor we are seeing is a definitely influenced by his improved testosterone levels but he is doing it legally. Until the UFC takes a real stand on TRT, Vitor has ever right to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    My point was, TRT is not the magic bullet that some are making it out to be. As you just mentioned, a fighter also needs natural ability, training and heart. So the fact Vitor is on TRT is not the account for his recent success. Dont get me wrong, this new TRT Vitor we are seeing is a definitely influenced by his improved testosterone levels but he is doing it legally. Until the UFC takes a real stand on TRT, Vitor has ever right to use it.
    Increased drive and motivation in the gym. Belfort's skill and knowledge base is earning him his wins as of late rather than a medical treatment.

    What are low T symptoms? The "before and after" pictures that certain people have posted of Vitor dozens of times show a evidence of a couple of these symptoms.

    Sexual dysfunction (unable to maintain erections)
    Reduced sex drive (reduced sexual activity)
    Decreased energy
    Loss of body hair, reduced shaving
    Depressed mood
    Increase in body fat
    Decrease in bone strength
    Reduced muscle mass
    Lack of sleep; insomnia or sleep disturbances

    Was that bulge your cup or are you happy to see me?

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    I thought it was clear as day... That mullet is his secret weapon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    It has been mentioned numerous times, Vitor's testosterone levels are tested on an almost weekly basis and he is the only one who has to do blood tests.
    Cat - I have to wonder as well, how can we be so sure of this? Who mentioned he gets tested weekly, Vitor himself? Yes, I'm picking on Vitor because he is the subject at hand but I would put any other fighter under the same scrutiny. How often is he getting tested and by whom? A credible lab? Do his results go anywhere? To an endocrinologist? He's not fighting in Nevada so I can't imagine his test results go to the NSAC or any other commission in the U.S. Maybe I'm wrong but do you see where I'm going here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    It has been mentioned numerous times, Vitor's testosterone levels are tested on an almost weekly basis and he is the only one who has to do blood tests.
    I think the only sources of this I've seen is Vitor himself stating as much... as Vitor's been busted for PED use in the past I'm not inclined to take his word for it.

    Yes, Reem, Josh and GSP are all tested out the ass but I was talking about those on TRT. Vitor is likely to be the one who follows his levels the closest due to additional testing.
    I mentioned those 3 because we know they are being tested we're not just taking their word for it.

    If guys need TRT commission need to do more then approve it then need to be at the forefront of the testing and it should be their panel of doctors confirming the diagnosis as well. Things like this need to be way more transparent

    Until the UFC takes a real stand on TRT, Vitor has ever right to use it.
    Problem is the UFC will not take a stand on it the guy in charge has flipped his stance about 4 times or so now and in general the UFC policy is to turn a blind eye to this stuff. They certainly have no qualms about bringing guys in with a history of PED abuse. Short of a major media catastrophe the UFC will turn a blind eye to it and leave it in the various commissions laps. And as those commissions can barely manage to run themselves much less work with each other across continents.

    So it's easy as a fan of the sport when you see something going on you disagree with to want to voice your opinion about it being changed.

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    simple question, could vitor belfort put in this so called "work in the gym" that supposedly is the reason behind his recent streak of wins without the help of TRT. If you hesitate even a little bit when answering yes (and i would like you to explain how he could do so) to that question - it means TRT should be banned. Even if you are within the "limits"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    simple question, could vitor belfort put in this so called "work in the gym" that supposedly is the reason behind his recent streak of wins without the help of TRT. If you hesitate even a little bit when answering yes (and i would like you to explain how he could do so) to that question - it means TRT should be banned. Even if you are within the "limits"


    No one is denying TRT gives fighters an advantage over the version of their low-TRT selves.

    Even your boy Sonnen admitts his TRT use was done to give him an advantage:


    Chael Sonnen Talks Testosterone: 'Yes, I Took It To Get an Edge'
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...to-get-an-edge
    "Testosterone's not illegal, which we all found out. It's perfectly legal. I followed all the rules as I understood them and yes, I took it to get an edge. I would never take anything if I didn't think it would help me."
    And just like Chael, Vitor has "followed all the rules" in regards to his TRT use. To argue otherwise is pure speculation and assumption.

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