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    Quote Originally Posted by mmawolverine View Post
    yeah seriously this is the fight business would you people rather have some pencil neck geek negotiating with these fighters and their prick managers? If the ufc had a pushover at the helm there would be no ufc right now.
    It doesn't need to be an absolute to one side or the other. You can be firm without being a petty asshole, and it doesn't make you a pencil necked geek.

    I know college freshmen who are better negotiators than dana. Give them a multi-million dollar bankroll and they'd do fine.

    Lorenzo is the counterbalance and if he agrees with Dana then Im fine without Gil in the UFC.
    Lorenzo is a disappointment. I doubt if he even knows anything about Gil leaving...or if he does, it's filtered via dana, whose grasp of reality is...tenuous.

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    The UFC has believed it is "too big to fail" for some time now. Thinking that the fighters are disposable commodities and that the fans are idiots who can be spoon fed any rationale. Time will tell if they are correct or if they have sown the seeds of their own demise. Imagine if GSP goes full Anti UFC and wins a suit to fight for another company? Imagine if Jon Jones revolts? Any fighter could turn anti-UFC hell look at Randy Couture. And if fighters ever got serious about unionizing, not just in the UFC but across America and maybe even internationally. What would Dana say then to convince the public that the UFC only has the fighters "best interest at heart". These little misteps may seem small but they start to make a pattern, and many promoters are paying attention to it, promotions like bellator.
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    The sport will be much better when there is a truly viable second option.

    Bellator is trying but it's talent is in the lower classes and it's only 3-5 deep at best. I'd legitimately take chandler, Alvarez and Gilbert over Pettis, Henderson, and tj grant all day long.

    As long as the ufc keeps letting top flight guys go while they still have fuel in the tank, there is a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    The sport will be much better when there is a truly viable second option.

    Bellator is trying but it's talent is in the lower classes and it's only 3-5 deep at best. I'd legitimately take chandler, Alvarez and Gilbert over Pettis, Henderson, and tj grant all day long.

    As long as the ufc keeps letting top flight guys go while they still have fuel in the tank, there is a chance.
    I agree, with the loss of Melendez and possibly Diaz and Thomson the UFC actually has a weaker top tier of lightweights than Bellator
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    The sport will be much better when there is a truly viable second option.

    Bellator is trying but it's talent is in the lower classes and it's only 3-5 deep at best. I'd legitimately take chandler, Alvarez and Gilbert over Pettis, Henderson, and tj grant all day long.

    As long as the ufc keeps letting top flight guys go while they still have fuel in the tank, there is a chance.
    I think a viable second option hurts the sport in the long run really... it becomes pretty much impossible to see the fights we all want to see because two separate promotions will not work well together. It didnt work in other pro sports to have two separate organizations though they had different business models but the end result was the same you had talent split up that needed to be competing against each other.

    Think it's a toss up who wins the matches between the lw's you mentioned. I'd personally like to see all of them have the chance to fight each other though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    I think a viable second option hurts the sport in the long run really... it becomes pretty much impossible to see the fights we all want to see because two separate promotions will not work well together. It didnt work in other pro sports to have two separate organizations though they had different business models but the end result was the same you had talent split up that needed to be competing against each other.

    Think it's a toss up who wins the matches between the lw's you mentioned. I'd personally like to see all of them have the chance to fight each other though.
    That is what I used to think becuase it is logical to think that having all of the best fighters in the world under one banner would be the best but I actually enjoyed MMA more for some reason when Strikeforce and WECC had a fair amount of the top fighters in the world
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    I think a viable second option hurts the sport in the long run really... it becomes pretty much impossible to see the fights we all want to see because two separate promotions will not work well together. It didnt work in other pro sports to have two separate organizations though they had different business models but the end result was the same you had talent split up that needed to be competing against each other.

    Think it's a toss up who wins the matches between the lw's you mentioned. I'd personally like to see all of them have the chance to fight each other though.
    We will have to agree to disagree here.

    Competition benefits the consumer and forces each stakeholder to develop from within rather than poach talent before it reaches it's potential. Clearly, the policy of not interfering too much with the wec developed amazing athletes and look at how much better mma was during the pride years. Speculating on dream matches is natural and serves to keep fans more interested as well. Currently, you're fed matchups that are rarely if ever the two best and they're all under one banner as it is and they create fake hype to make it more interesting.

    A viable second option would force both parties to up their game and make the sport better all around. The singular vision of the ufc is not and should not be the be-all end-all of mma. The comparison to team sports simply doesn't fit here for a plethora of reasons but I would ask you to look no further than the aba to see just how awesome and innovative sports can be when there is a second option. Another clear example would be the Monday night wars. Also, the afl/nfl merger was probably not what you seem to believe.
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    I really would like to see Gil stay in the UFC, there are plenty of exciting fights for him. Sure, it diminishes the UFC's LW division a bit, but nobody will seriously cry over it. It does give Bellator a big name and makes a great addition to their roster.

    I'm a bit torn on the multiple MMA organizations thing. On one hand, I selfishly want everyone to be under the same banner so I see the fights I want to see (even though that still doesn't happen). On the other, I completely agree with SJ, in the fact that competition breeds better quality products. It also gives other fighters a place to grow, earn a living, and increase their own value.

    I do have a random question that I'd like to toss out there...A couple years ago the UFC baited everyone with a huge announcement. If I remember correctly, it was being promoted as a game changer in the MMA world. That announcement turned out to be that Lorenzo was leaving Station Casinos and becoming a full timer UFC shot caller. Does anyone know, or could they please inform me, as to what big changes/contributions Lorenzo has made?
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    ^Getting the feeling he just sleeps in his office.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SickNasty View Post
    I'm a bit torn on the multiple MMA organizations thing. On one hand, I selfishly want everyone to be under the same banner so I see the fights I want to see (even though that still doesn't happen). On the other, I completely agree with SJ, in the fact that competition breeds better quality products. It also gives other fighters a place to grow, earn a living, and increase their own value.
    Are you seeing all the fights you want to see within zuffa's roster? Or are they protecting some fighters, allowing others to dictate who and when they'll fight, etc?

    Simply having all the fighters in one org does nothing to ensure we'll get "the fights we want to see." If anything having one mega-org among smaller ones indicates we'll get more of a shell game and watered-down cards sold on overhype and misinformation.

    I do have a random question that I'd like to toss out there...A couple years ago the UFC baited everyone with a huge announcement. If I remember correctly, it was being promoted as a game changer in the MMA world. That announcement turned out to be that Lorenzo was leaving Station Casinos and becoming a full timer UFC shot caller. Does anyone know, or could they please inform me, as to what big changes/contributions Lorenzo has made?
    Lorenzo has been a disappointment. He stepped in when dana fucked up with the video game and Fitch called him out on it and got fired in the process. He's addressed a few small issues, but for the most part, I think he spends a lot of time stacking cash, without a lot of visible input to the daily running of the org. Although that may be a misperception on my part. He could be working tirelessly--but unseen--to get MMA licensed in NY.

    I just doubt it.

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