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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    As a Penn fan, I'm not a huge fan of Frankie. I'm also a mark for Aldo, and I hate how undersold he is in the UFC.

    But Frankie is a lot more accessible to the common fan than either of them.


    I'm also not saying the fact that Nick and Nate aren't actors excuses the bullshit they generate. It would be nice if they learned from their experiences and got out of their own way. But I'd rather see them get success than see sonnen rewarded for manufacturing an asshole public persona, for instance.

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    I could understand that, I'd just rather not see any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    Only because of the fact that he had 2 title fights with Penn and because Aldo headlines lackluster Brazil cards from time to time...and who the heck ever wanted to watch Florian in a main event?

    And I'm not saying I don't like watching Edgar fight...but you have to have those guys that sell tickets. Sometimes fans never get into guys who are good fighters for whatever reason...I was quite surprised more people didn't tune into the 3rd Grey fight after such an epic 2nd one...you gotta hang on to those guys that you know the majority of fans will tune in to watch fight.

    It's too bad Nick won't come back and fight once or twice more without it being for a title...he could fill in the co-main spot of a potentially stacked card. Imagine Nick Diaz vs Matt Brown as the Co-Main for Weidman-Machida...I'd be so damn stoked.
    I just don't understand why you are using Edgar as an example. He never went below 200k buys meanwhile Aldo did in the Zombie fight(who was supposed to be a draw) and the fact that UFC 169 numbers haven't yet been released indicates that it did not do well either.

    Also Nick Diaz would never fight Matt Brown.

    EDIT: UFC 150 did 190 k buys so I was wrong. Still don't understand why you are singling out Edgar its the smaller weight classes in general which makes little sense to me as in boxing the smaller weights are most popular. Mayweather isn't even that exciting at all yet he pulls in 2 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    this is about to disintegrate into a discussion over semantics...so in that case, you win. huzzah.
    So do I get a cookie or some other form of award for winning ?

    Yeah...show me the research you did to come to the conclusion that the entire buyrate increase was due to people tuning in because Georges wanted to hurt someone.
    I lumped Nick and Nate in together when I was speaking of draws... so lets clarify Nate is not a draw in my opinion at all. Nick does have some draw to him... but of all the more casual fans I talk to or hang around with they are not clamoring to see the next Nick Diaz fight. As I mentioned before it's the causal fans that push the PPV buys up to the million mark. Did I go out an run a survey nope just an opinion based on what I've seen/heard.

    Nick best PPV before was 400k with condit and prior to that it was under 300k with BJ respectable numbers no doubt but not anything to make me think he is a huge draw the UFC absolutely has to have which is what I was originally saying and not that he isn't a draw at all.

    One could just as easily state that the Diaz fight outsold the Hardy fight based on Nick's drawing power--and remember--Hardy went 4 and 0 in the octagon and kept his job because he was a draw.
    The Hardy fight still pulled in around 800k buys to the Diaz 950k buys it wasn't like Hardy/GSP didn't draw good numbers. Besides that I would hope Nick is a better draw then a guy that had zero chance given to him going into his fight with GSP. My understanding was that Hardy kept his job because he was an entertaining fighter and don't remember him being called a draw... though I'm sure helps with ticket sales in the UK.

    It's not a matter of disdaining fighters. I've been a staunch advocate for Fitch when the rest of the world hates on him. But are you disdaining the Diaz's when they're just trying to keep financial gain and security in their future as well?
    I'm disdaining them for their actions... never suggested they shouldn't be employed just that the UFC shouldn't bend over backwards to so

    But there is an enormous difference between fighting smart and fighting not to lose.
    There is a difference sure... but I think a lot of fighters get labelled unfairly as fighting not to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    I just don't understand why you are using Edgar as an example. He never went below 200k buys meanwhile Aldo did in the Zombie fight(who was supposed to be a draw) and the fact that UFC 169 numbers haven't yet been released indicates that it did not do well either.

    Also Nick Diaz would never fight Matt Brown.

    EDIT: UFC 150 did 190 k buys so I was wrong. Still don't understand why you are singling out Edgar its the smaller weight classes in general which makes little sense to me as in boxing the smaller weights are most popular. Mayweather isn't even that exciting at all yet he pulls in 2 million.
    Just using him as an example. Some guys are bigger draws, some aren't...even when their the champion. BJ Penn was a pretty good draw at LW.

    I didn't know you could tell the future, but nice to know I guess. It's certainly not likely...we gotta see how Brown does in a big spot now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    Just using him as an example. Some guys are bigger draws, some aren't...even when their the champion. BJ Penn was a pretty good draw at LW.

    I didn't know you could tell the future, but nice to know I guess. It's certainly not likely...we gotta see how Brown does in a big spot now.
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