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    Default Michael Bisping: Belfort will find new way to cheat, Weidman will get another asteris

    Michael Bisping: Belfort will find new way to cheat, Weidman will get another asterisk
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    “Vitor’s a cheat, simple as that,” Bisping today told MMAjunkie. “He’ll go out and try to find another way to cheat. He’ll find another way of manipulating the system, or he’ll try.

    “For a guy that talks about Jesus, you should want to step in there the way God intended him to be. He’s a hypocrite.”

    Bisping (24-5 MMA, 14-5 UFC), who is set to fight Tim Kennedy (17-4 MMA, 2-0 UFC) in April at the TUF Nations Finale after an eye injury threatened his career, said he’s moved past a loss to Belfort in January 2013 that derailed a potential middleweight title shot and forced him back to the drawing board.

    He does, however, take satisfaction in knowing that regulators are cracking down on the controversial practice of hormone replacement, one that undoubtedly aided Belfort on his rise to title contention.

    “It’s nice to know they’re being branded the cheats they have always been,” Bisping said. “They’ve been chemically enhancing their bodies for quite some time, and I always took a hard stance against it. Fortunately, the UFC and the Nevada athletic commission are branding it for what it is; it’s an unfair advantage and whole thing is just a mockery to the whole concept of sport and fair competition.

    “In the past, I’ve lost to three guys on TRT. They had an unfair advantage, and I’m just glad nobody is going to have to suffer a defeat at the hands of somebody on TRT.”

    The TUF Nations Finale takes place April 16 at Colisee Pepsi in Quebec City, Quebec, Canada. The main card airs on FOX Sports 1 following prelims on UFC Fight Pass.

    Bisping’s career is notable for the number of disclosed TRT users he’s competed against and lost to, including Belfort, Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson, all of whom were undergoing TRT at the time of their fights.

    “The past is the past, of course,” he said. “I never knew that my opponent was on TRT; it was only after the fight took place that I was privy to that knowledge. Being a competitor, I would have never turned down the fight anyway, but the fact that it’s not allowed, it kind of makes you wonder.”

    Thankfully, his next opponent, Kennedy, is a staunch opponent of doctor-approved testosterone use, so he doesn’t have to worry about whether or not an unfair advantage will be employed in the cage. But does the NSAC’s ban change the way he thinks about his losses? Do they now have asterisks beside them?

    “I think with Vitor, it definitely should be,” Bisping said. “This is a guy that failed a drug test in the past, and now he’s taking TRT. For a while, he wouldn’t reveal the fact that he was on TRT, and now he’s very pro-TRT, and now that they’ve banned it, he’ll probably will just find another way to do it.”

    Belfort has yet to comment on the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s ban on therapeutic-use exemptions for TRT and what path he’ll take toward getting licensed in the state for a title bout with champ Chris Weidman in May at UFC 173. With his stated plan to ask for a therapeutic-use exemption now off the table, it’s likely he’ll merely apply for a fight license and appear before the commission to answer for a previous NSAC steroid failure, his TRT use, and his status as a fighter over the age of 35.

    “I’m definitely rooting for Chris Weidman,” Bisping said. “From a personal selfish position, regardless of what happened, Vitor does hold a victory over me; he connected with a decent head kick, and good for him. If Vitor was to be the champion, it might be more of a difficult sell fighting Vitor again.

    “This is going to piss me off as well, because if Weidman is victorious, he fought Vitor not on the juice. So Weidman’s going to get even more credit. Is he credible? No. Anderson (Silva) broke his leg (in his second fight with Weidman); the first fight he acted like an idiot. Against Vitor, he fought him not on the juice. So let’s put it all in perspective.

    “But for me personally, I want Chris to win. I’m going to make an example of Tim Kennedy, and then I would love my shot at the belt.”

    Bisping’s ultimate goal is, of course, aimed at winning a title that’s eluded him since his winning turn on “The Ultimate Fighter 3.” While being one of the middleweight division’s more popular fighters, he hasn’t been able to win key fights that put him in title contention.

    The NSAC’s rule change may have come too late for “The Count,” but he is still open to the idea of fighting Belfort again down the road.

    “I wouldn’t want to do it this year, because it’s going to take a while before the effects of those drugs that he’s been taking truly come out of his system,” he said. “The muscle that he’s gained, that’s going to take a while before it diminishes. So he still might be at an advantage at the Chris Weidman fight. With the amount of cardio we do, it’s hard to put that kind of muscle on.

    “But sure, I would love to fight Vitor. Give it a year, let him get all the juice out of his system, and then let’s do it again.”

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    STFU Bisping. I hate this guy he thinks he is the shit when really the only reason he is only in the spotlight is that he luckily was the first British fighter to achieve remote success.

    He cries about losing to guys on TRT even though no one even knows if they were at the time. He also cries that he should have won the Wand fight yet was given an absolute gift of a decision AND only won TUF because he got lucky that Hamil got injured. He also got matched up with a half dead Mayhem and it took him three rounds to finish him. He also AGAIN got lucky he dind't get DQ'd for blatantly cheating against Rivera and that was the reason he won.

    There isn't any fighter in the sport who has been luckier than Bisping over the course of his career so he should shut his mouth and be grateful that he is where he is instead of complaining all the time.
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    Think of it like this, Vitor was 14-8 at age 29 when he was popped after the Hendo fight in 2006.

    Over the past eight years since, he's gone 10 and 2 only dropping bouts to Jones and Silva-WOW. That's really impressive and dare I say, TOO IMPRESSIVE from a statistical perspective, given that traditionally speaking- he should be winding down his career, already hit his peak and should be experiencing a gradual plateau and decline....yet instead we're seeing career highlights with his advancement in age, looking far and far superior with each and every fight.

    This shouldn't happen, and having already been popped once while also having a bad reputation prior to being popped, massive question marks and alarm bells should go off every time Vitor fights. Go back and look at the statistics of MLB baseball players in the late 90s to mid '00s, you're going to see ALOT of major statistical anomalies, where guys hit a career plateau around 30, begin to decline and then, against common sense, SURGE in their mid to late 30s....

    Vitor will be 37 years old on April Fools and his last three wins will have been against ranked opponents via VIOLENT finishes and is now fighting for the title. He's been fighting dirty. The question now is, which route is he going to take? A) He'll find another way to cheat or B) Fight clean and start looking human and get the hell kicked out of you. If he goes with the later, Vitor's going to look like a completely different fighter.....like a 37 year old without any extra pickmeups

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre View Post
    Think of it like this, Vitor was 14-8 at age 29 when he was popped after the Hendo fight in 2006.

    Over the past eight years since, he's gone 10 and 2 only dropping bouts to Jones and Silva-WOW. That's really impressive and dare I say, TOO IMPRESSIVE from a statistical perspective, given that traditionally speaking- he should be winding down his career, already hit his peak and should be experiencing a gradual plateau and decline....yet instead we're seeing career highlights with his advancement in age, looking far and far superior with each and every fight.

    This shouldn't happen, and having already been popped once while also having a bad reputation prior to being popped, massive question marks and alarm bells should go off every time Vitor fights. Go back and look at the statistics of MLB baseball players in the late 90s to mid '00s, you're going to see ALOT of major statistical anomalies, where guys hit a career plateau around 30, begin to decline and then, against common sense, SURGE in their mid to late 30s....

    Vitor will be 37 years old on April Fools and his last three wins will have been against ranked opponents via VIOLENT finishes and is now fighting for the title. He's been fighting dirty. The question now is, which route is he going to take? A) He'll find another way to cheat or B) Fight clean and start looking human and get the hell kicked out of you. If he goes with the later, Vitor's going to look like a completely different fighter.....like a 37 year old without any extra pickmeups
    I can't say if Belfort is abusing TRT or not...I don't think anyone can, regardless of their self-righteous--and often hypocritical--attitudes. I think it's as likely as not, but the absolute conviction people have on the subject is pretty pathetic.

    But since you're bringing up Vitor's career, you need to factor in one enormous issue that is hardly ever brought up in the discussion of Vitor and juicing. Vitor was an absolute monster when he first started the sport. His first big streak he looks something similar to his latest run, where he had something like 10 wins with his losses only coming to Couture, Sakuraba and Liddell--and he was a kid at the time, something like 22 years old, fighting all three of those guys during, or at the start of, their dominant runs.

    And then Priscila went missing. He had no idea if she was alive, if she was dead, or what had happened.

    A huge part of the fight game is mental. Joe Riggs can tell you about having all the physical tools to succeed, but not the mental/emotional component.

    Priscilla's loss put snakes in Vitor's head. The period where nobody had accurate information on her fate is the darkest period of his history.



    When did Vitor finally get word on her fate? At the start of his most recent success, right after the loss to Dan Henderson.



    I'm not trying to convince anyone he's not a juicer. I don't really care about anyone else's opinion on that, as it's all conjecture at best. But I do want to postulate that having an emotional resolution of that magnitude can have a huge impact on a fighter's focus and their performance, both in training and in the cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I can't say if Belfort is abusing TRT or not...I don't think anyone can, regardless of their self-righteous--and often hypocritical--attitudes. I think it's as likely as not, but the absolute conviction people have on the subject is pretty pathetic.

    But since you're bringing up Vitor's career, you need to factor in one enormous issue that is hardly ever brought up in the discussion of Vitor and juicing. Vitor was an absolute monster when he first started the sport. His first big streak he looks something similar to his latest run, where he had something like 10 wins with his losses only coming to Couture, Sakuraba and Liddell--and he was a kid at the time, something like 22 years old, fighting all three of those guys during, or at the start of, their dominant runs.

    And then Priscila went missing. He had no idea if she was alive, if she was dead, or what had happened.

    A huge part of the fight game is mental. Joe Riggs can tell you about having all the physical tools to succeed, but not the mental/emotional component.

    Priscilla's loss put snakes in Vitor's head. The period where nobody had accurate information on her fate is the darkest period of his history.



    When did Vitor finally get word on her fate? At the start of his most recent success, right after the loss to Dan Henderson.



    I'm not trying to convince anyone he's not a juicer. I don't really care about anyone else's opinion on that, as it's all conjecture at best. But I do want to postulate that having an emotional resolution of that magnitude can have a huge impact on a fighter's focus and their performance, both in training and in the cage.

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    I' won't challenge the Randy III, Tito, Hendo losses too much because as you acknowledged, he had the personal turmoil etc. But when you look at "method of victory" let's say, 36 year old Vitor is just blowing pre-Priscilla Vitor out of the water with regard to finishing rate and against a FAAAAAAR higher level of competition than he was facing then.

    We've had this discussion before, Priscilla disappeared in January of 2004, so for argument's sake, let's say the "Pre-Priscilla" Vitor's record stood at 11-3, analyzing those fights prior, what you referred to as his "first big streak". IMO, we'd already seen him win some pretty uninspired decisions against Herring, Matsui and Yvel. During his first PRIDE run, which had nothing to do with his sister, he looked listless and wasn't a "contender" so to speak. Of those wins on his record, he had the squash UFC tournament and Joe Charles. Really, his only real "important wins" came against Wandy(who was also still a pup) and Tank. Couture was supposed to be a body for Vitor as they built him and Couture outsmarted him stylistically, but I wouldn't account for that loss in the same vein as Chuck and Sakuraba's, as Randy was new to the sport as well(albeit older in age).

    My endgame is, there's no accounting for his poor performances in PRIDE the first time around outside of a simple slump, but the first half of his career- pre-Priscilla- doesn't look as good as what we've seen since his most recent UFC run and I think from a statistical perspective, those fights don't look consistent, factoring finishing rate, level of opposition etc.

    True, the mental game is an unbelievably MAJOR factor, I just do not believe the fighter Vitor is today should be as good as he is, and when you take a look at a sample of his "prime fighting years" (some of which were lost due to his sister's murder, that's taken into account, so let's go Eastman and prior), he's far exceeded what I'd attribute to "the mental game" at a late stage in his career. The fact that he's also been popped once before is a red flag.

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    Fedorhuckleberrylie, I'm not saying it can all be attributed to Priscila, by any means.

    I think it's more likely than not that Vitor is [was?] abusing TRT. But it's not definite, any more than my suspicions about lesnar or overeem or whomever.

    In terms of his lackluster performances as a kid [I thought he and Wandi started about the same time?], I think you also have to factor in that he was probably young, dumb and full of c....onfidence. I can't help but think a kid of his talent was running around partying and wasn't focused. His early interviews indicate to me that he was confident in his natural ability and wasn't killing himself in the gym. Not to mention that he was fighting outside his weight half the time.

    But fast forward to 2007 and onward, he's married, he's found the baby Jesus, he's had a brush with discipline from the failed test [whether his doc was lying or not, that's still got to be a bit unnerving for a fighter]...this is approaching last-chance-ville. He's got all the experience--both physical/training and out-of-the-gym to indicate what he should be doing, he's finally getting world-class money to pay for world-class guidance, he gets to lay to rest his doubts and fears about his sister and focus.

    That alone is going to be formidable.

    If he was juicing, he's going to be THAT much MORE formidable.



    I don't think we'll ever know the full backstory, but time will tell, I guess. That's if he ever fights again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    That alone is going to be formidable.

    If he was juicing, he's going to be THAT much MORE formidable.

    I don't think we'll ever know the full backstory, but time will tell, I guess. That's if he ever fights again.

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    That I 100% agree with.

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    I'd love to see how many pills, powders, and shakes Bisping consumes. Lets see you go without all that stuff Mike and then come back and talk about being "all natural"....
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    “Vitor’s a cheat, simple as that,” Bisping today told MMAjunkie. “He’ll go out and try to find another way to cheat. He’ll find another way of manipulating the system, or he’ll try.
    Says the guy who knees downed opponents and eye pokes people to victory.



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    Bisping is just jealous because Vitor has achieved more than him. At least Belfort has fought for the title 2 times in the last 3 years and will do it again.

    Even if he loses again, the simple fact that he fights for the title is a bigger achievement than anything Bisping has done in his MMA career.
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