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    Quote Originally Posted by mulefloyd View Post
    I have been saying this for years so I fully support this idea. The goal should be for everyone to fight at their "walk around" weight. The whole idea of weight classes was to have fights between similar sized fighters. I'm NOT calling any fighter a coward but extreme weight-cutting is a cowardly process - to be bigger than your opponent rather than more skilled.

    It's a huge health risk as well because of the strikes to the head and the loss of water in the brain's protective membrane. I think this is just as big of problem as PEDs.
    I disagree witht he walk around weight part. If you are over weight, you shouldn't have to stay at that weight. I think that they should be ceritfied at whatever weight they would be at 7 percent body fat.

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    Well most MMA fighters I would assume are athletes who keep a fairly steady weight and not like Matt Serra or Rampage. I guess if they want to get "fat" between fights then that's their choice. How about just a daily (?) weight check in the month or so leading up to a fight?
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    Rogan: Weight cutting can cause low T
    "I think that there's most certainly people abusing it," said Rogan. "It sucks because people who aren't abusing it and actually need it, like Bigfoot. You want to talk about a guy who absolutely probably needs it, how about a guy who had a tumor in his pituitary gland and has a real health issue. So if you want to think about guys who really need it, they're being punished. There are a few guys who I'm sure really do need it."

    "In my conversations that I've had with doctors who prescribe testosterone to people with brain injuries, there's two types of people that need testosterone because of contact sports. There's most certainly people that get hit in the head too much and their bodies stop producing testosterone correctly."

    "The other is weight cutting. Weight cutting affects it as well. It kills your whole fucking system, man, and if you do it a lot over a long period of time, it can wreak havoc on your entire body. But, there's also people who have legit diseases."

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    I support same day weigh ins only because mma, boxing and wrestling is a sport to determine who is the better fighter talent, physical and skill wise not who can cut more weight so they can fight smaller dudes.
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    from cagepotato's writeup:
    Association of Ringside Physicians Launches New Crusade Against Unhealthy Weight-Cutting in Combat Sports
    In late January, the Association of Ringside Physicians released a public statement calling for the end of therapeutic use exemptions for testosterone replacement therapy in combat sports. Though the ARP is simply an advocacy group that promotes fighter-safety, and has no official ties to state athletic commissions, the resulting publicity kicked off the final wave of anti-TRT sentiment in the world of mixed martial arts. A month later, the Nevada State Athletic Commission banned testosterone therapy for combat sports athletes.

    Fresh off that success, the Association of Ringside Physicians is now setting its sights on another controversial facet of professional fighting that is just as damaging to athletes’ health as PED use — improper weight cutting. Check out the ARP’s new statement on weight management below, which summarizes the health risks associated with significant and repeated weight cuts, and suggests how the situation can be improved.

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    For Immediate Release
    March 24, 2014

    Association of Ringside Physicians Releases Consensus Statement on Weight Management in Professional Combat Sports

    The Association of Ringside Physicians (ARP), an international, non-profit organization dedicated to the health and safety of the boxer and mixed martial arts athlete, has released a consensus statement on weight management in professional combat sports as follows:

    Introduction
    Unhealthy and sometimes dangerous weight loss practices continue to be a significant problem in amateur and professional combat sports. The ARP recommends that regulatory bodies adopt standardized weigh-in policies in conjunction with year-round weight management and educational programs.

    Discussion
    There is a growing body of information in the medical literature that presents unequivocal evidence of the danger of excessive weight loss, rapid weight loss, and repeated cycling of weight gain and loss. Rapid weight loss and dehydration have been proven to negatively affect a number of health-related parameters including: physical performance, cardiovascular function, temperature regulation, hormonal balance, nutritional status, neurologic function, mental performance, and energy utilization. These may cause life-threatening muscle breakdown, shock, heat illness, kidney failure, and electrolyte imbalances, in addition to placing the athlete at increased injury risk, Additionally, the possible relationship between dehydration and predisposition to concussion requires more investigation. Significant dehydration also puts the athlete at risk of improper rehydration techniques — when, in reality, proper re-hydration requires hours to days.

    The prevalence of these problems is significant. One recent study found that 39% of MMA fighters were entering competition in a dehydrated state. Many cases of dehydrated athletes using intravenous fluids to rehydrate after weigh-ins have been reported — considered a doping violation with several international organizations. Heat illness and death in athletes have been previously documented in the sports of wrestling and MMA. Weight management regulations for boxing/MMA competitors are warranted to mitigate improper weight loss techniques contributing to severe dehydration and starvation and their complications.

    A number of organizations including the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) have adopted rules to minimize unhealthy weight loss in weight-classified sports. The rules emphasize hydration and body composition assessment to identify an individual’s proper weight class, and provide a safe, gradual, weekly weight control plan (gain or loss) to achieve same if desired. The new regulations were subsequently investigated for their effectiveness and were reported to be successful by minimizing unhealthy weight loss, excessive weight fluctuations, and competition at weight classes inappropriate for a given athlete. It is noted that the effectiveness and success of protocols such as same day weigh-ins are directly tied to proper weight management.

    Recommendations
    The ARP recommends standardized weigh-in policies in conjunction with year-round weight management programs. These would include scheduling weigh-ins twenty four hours or less before the start of competition. Therefore, establishing a lowest allowed fighting weight (weight class) for competitors through body composition and hydration assessment is essential. Combatants should be assessed and certified at their appropriate weight annually. This assessment should be completed by non-biased examiners, in conjunction with licensure, and stored in an international data bank accessible to athletic regulatory bodies, In this light, the ARP will be establishing a medical database to provide this and other resources. Regulatory bodies should also consider adding additional weight classes in certain sports where needed.

    Additionally, in order for an athlete to maintain proper weight control and optimal body composition, a continual commitment to proper diet and training is required. Educational programs should be established to inform coaches, athletes, administrators, promoters and sponsors about the adverse consequences of prolonged fasting and dehydration on performance and health. These programs should discourage the use of extreme methods for making weight; i.e., excessive heat methods (such as rubberized suits, steam rooms, hot boxes, saunas), excessive exercise, induced vomiting, laxatives and diuretics. Nutritional programs should also be instituted to emphasize and meet an athlete’s individual needs for adequate daily caloric intake from a balanced diet high in healthy carbohydrates, the minimum requirement of fat, and appropriate amounts of protein.

    The ARP wishes to thank Alan C. Utter, Ph. D., M.P.H., FACSM, Appalachian State University, Boone, NC for his dedicated assistance in the development of this consensus statement.

    For more about the ARP, visit its website at www.associationofringsidephysicians.org.
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    It's actually funny, someone sent it to me, I was shocked it came from there.

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    Hell yes! Finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    I disagree witht he walk around weight part. If you are over weight, you shouldn't have to stay at that weight. I think that they should be ceritfied at whatever weight they would be at 7 percent body fat.
    I missed this the first time through...the issue with ballooning up and then dropping weight in camp and then dropping water weight is stress on your system. It's not healthy. There are a host of issues that can result from that.

    What this association is proposing is finally looking at the system, and not just isolating one aspect--examining the root, not just a symptom. I'd like MMA to be as good as it can be, which means the best athletes performing at the highest level.

    I don't think they'd prevent a guy like rampage from ever fighting, but they wouldn't let him drop 30lbs in a 6 week camp and then lose another 25 to cutting to make 205. They'd just have him fight as a HW. You could look at it as though it sucks for the fighter in that they won't have as large a size advantage, but generally their career will be prolonged--and maybe they'll even get the message and live healthier between bouts so they don't need to drop 50lbs to make weight.

    And no, I'm not exaggerating about rampage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I missed this the first time through...the issue with ballooning up and then dropping weight in camp and then dropping water weight is stress on your system. It's not healthy. There are a host of issues that can result from that.

    What this association is proposing is finally looking at the system, and not just isolating one aspect--examining the root, not just a symptom. I'd like MMA to be as good as it can be, which means the best athletes performing at the highest level.

    I don't think they'd prevent a guy like rampage from ever fighting, but they wouldn't let him drop 30lbs in a 6 week camp and then lose another 25 to cutting to make 205. They'd just have him fight as a HW. You could look at it as though it sucks for the fighter in that they won't have as large a size advantage, but generally their career will be prolonged--and maybe they'll even get the message and live healthier between bouts so they don't need to drop 50lbs to make weight.

    And no, I'm not exaggerating about rampage.

    rh

    I'm referring to Tim Boestch like scenario when was at LHW. where a fighter is clearly not at his ideal weight and dropping a weight class would not be a health hazard what so ever.

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