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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    That's not what I saw. I see him easing up, and the ref grabbing his hands, and him letting go in less than a second after the ref contact. If anything, I think it looks like he's holding on a little longer, and the ref is pulling hard, because it's an jittery animated gif.

    Let's forget the ref involvement all together. Watch the gif again. Stare at the clock, using your peripheral vision to watch for the tap. From when the first tap makes contact, to him letting go, looks like a second in a half to me.
    The only reason that sub was let go as quick as it was is because of the ref being on the ball. Lavinge jumped right on top of it when the tap came broke the hold up physically. If he had of reacted just verbally or by touching the fighter I have no doubt that Palhares holds on to long again.

    (I watched the fight live and the replays just for the record)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    That's not what I saw. I see him easing up, and the ref grabbing his hands, and him letting go in less than a second after the ref contact. If anything, I think it looks like he's holding on a little longer, and the ref is pulling hard, because it's an jittery animated gif.

    Let's forget the ref involvement all together. Watch the gif again. Stare at the clock, using your peripheral vision to watch for the tap. From when the first tap makes contact, to him letting go, looks like a second in a half to me.
    I'm talking about when he got suspended for holding the sub too long against Thomasz Drwal in the UFC. The one he got suspended 90 days for.

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    A bit of a different perspective on the Palhares situation. The article implies that Yves Lavigne explicitly instructs fighters to continue to hold submissions until he intervenes.

    But here's an interesting twist on Lavigne and submissions. Two weeks ago the UFC released a video blog showing fight-night backstage footage, and included was a clip of Lavigne talking with Demian Maia prior to his UFC 170 bout with Rory MacDonald. The ref was giving instruction on subs, and told Maia that if MacDonald should tap, "please, do not let go. Let me pull you off that submission, just to make sure. Because I have to see the tap. If I don't see it and you let it go, I'm like ..." He shrugs. "And if he says, 'Oh, I didn't tap,' you're screwed, basically."
    Assuming Lavigne gave the same talk before Saturday night's fight, Palhares was following the ref's instruction by holding on to the heel hook until Yves pulled him away. And it wasn't like he vehemently resisted Lavigne's tug. Within minutes of the finish, Shaun Al-Shatti of MMAfighting.com took to Twitter to report what Palhares told him about the sub: "Palhares says Lavigne instructed him to let go as soon as he stepped in, and he did that." Lavigne retweeted this, apparently in agreement.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma...ing/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esox Express View Post
    A bit of a different perspective on the Palhares situation. The article implies that Yves Lavigne explicitly instructs fighters to continue to hold submissions until he intervenes.
    Well if that's the case, then he let go as soon as Lavigne stepped in (unlike the Pierce fight where he gave one more good crank).

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    Steve Carl @Steve_CarlFollow@SugarRaySefo I wouldn't have tapped to anything less @ToquinhoMMA did his job perfectly!#GroundWizard #champion
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    Wow....the Paul Harris hate is strong....Steve Carl says it was cool. You have video of the ref giving instructions not to let go of a sub unless he breaks it himself. Yet people will still accuse Palhares of being dirty. Some fights you just can't win I guess....in any event I hope Paul Harris takes Fitch's leg home and then goes after Askren (perhaps the only fight his haters would cheer for him in).
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    Wow....the Paul Harris hate is strong....Steve Carl says it was cool. You have video of the ref giving instructions not to let go of a sub unless he breaks it himself. Yet people will still accuse Palhares of being dirty. Some fights you just can't win I guess....in any event I hope Paul Harris takes Fitch's leg home and then goes after Askren (perhaps the only fight his haters would cheer for him in).


    Watch that video and then tell me he isn't dirty. Yeah ok, some of them are a stretch but there are more than one occasion where he clearly held on with the intent to injure.

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