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    Jake shields fight a man like one pile of laundry fights another. A very skilled pile of laundry mind you... But I'm not paying to watch that guy fight... And like it or not the UFC wants to make money. It's sports entertainment. I know I want to be entertained when I watch it... And while I can respect a powerful grappler that stays active, I don't enjoy guys that just blanket and nullify... And I don't think shields was winning a belt in the UFC anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rspier View Post
    Jake shields fight a man like one pile of laundry fights another. A very skilled pile of laundry mind you... But I'm not paying to watch that guy fight... And like it or not the UFC wants to make money. It's sports entertainment. I know I want to be entertained when I watch it... And while I can respect a powerful grappler that stays active, I don't enjoy guys that just blanket and nullify... And I don't think shields was winning a belt in the UFC anyway.
    Pretty much, they now have so many weight classes and numbers are falling so they have less money to pay more fighters. The less exciting guys will be getting the boot.
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    The fact that there are so many events now with the free cards, the over all quality of the events has fallen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rspier View Post
    The fact that there are so many events now with the free cards, the over all quality of the events has fallen...
    Well yes and no, free cards you have nothing to lose and have some very good up and coming fights(ers) but if you're paying for a PPV yeah that can piss you off.

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    No love lost on Jake here!

    I though Jake's win over Maia was absolutely brilliant. He may be a 1 trick pony, but so was Royce Gracie, and it was with the same trick. Jake does not lay and pray, he is most definitely always going for a submission.

    The way some of you are talking on here, it sounds like you would like to get rid of all of the BJJ specialists and wrestling specialists, and just stick to stand-up guys. That would no longer be MMA.

    With respects to whether the UFC is sports entertainment or not - all professional sports can be considered sports entertainment. WWE wrestling would be just entertainment - there is no sport there. If the result is fixed or premeditated, it is most definitely not a sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan the man 67 View Post
    No love lost on Jake here!

    I though Jake's win over Maia was absolutely brilliant. He may be a 1 trick pony, but so was Royce Gracie, and it was with the same trick. Jake does not lay and pray, he is most definitely always going for a submission.

    The way some of you are talking on here, it sounds like you would like to get rid of all of the BJJ specialists and wrestling specialists, and just stick to stand-up guys. That would no longer be MMA.

    With respects to whether the UFC is sports entertainment or not - all professional sports can be considered sports entertainment. WWE wrestling would be just entertainment - there is no sport there. If the result is fixed or premeditated, it is most definitely not a sport.
    Exactly, if there is no entertainment, there is no sport. The UFC can have the best fighters/mixed martial artists in the world but if they arent exciting to watch and fans arent willing to watch, let alone spend money to watch, than the UFC will not be able to stay in business. It has to be a balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Dirten View Post
    I find your post (and a lot of the posts on this topic) to be very interesting.

    First... I agree that Shields has to be one of the most boring fighters I've ever seen. I don't think that point is in dispute.
    BUT!!!! It begs the question... (and it's a frequently asked question!) - "Is the UFC a SPORT... or ENTERTAINMENT?"

    For me... this cut (and a lot of similar cuts) by the UFC speaks to the heart of the matter.

    Because whether or not Jake Shields is a boring fighter or not... whether Fitch is boring or not... whether Okami is boring or not... that makes NO difference IF the UFC is a SPORT.
    Why?
    Because the UFC is SUPPOSEDLY about finding out who the BEST fighter in the world is.
    To that end... if a guy wins... REGARDLESS of HOW he wins... he's the best.

    To put it another way... if Shields (or any other fighter) can "Lay on a guy" for three rounds and win... then he is the better fighter.

    If the UFC wants to be like "real life fighting"... then it doesn't matter how a guy wins! A win is a win.

    Ask Royce Gracie.
    Remember him? He didn't punch or kick or knock guys out... he won fights with what some might (and many do!) consider a boring grappling style.
    But he won.
    Proving he was the better fighter.
    Because in real life fights... you don't get anything for being fancy. Or exciting. Or spectacular.
    You either win, or lose.

    If the UFC is trying to determine who the BEST fighter is... they can't pick and choose who to promote. They can't pick and choose styles they LIKE, and promote those... while just IGNORING guys they don't like. (Shields isn't exciting? Askren is boring? We'll just pretend they don't exist. Problem solved. Johnny Hendricks is the best.)

    But is he?

    I know this is long and rambling... but I hope my point is clear.

    The UFC was born to answer the question WHO IS THE BEST FIGHTER? WHAT STYLE IS MOST EFFECTIVE?

    NOT "what style is most exciting and sells the most tickets."

    So... it seems to me that, as these cuts continue, the UFC is continuing to step toward ENTERTAINMENT... and away from real SPORT competition.

    Just ask Gina Carano. She's about to make a lot of money on a fight that has NOTHING to do with competition... and everything to do with marketing and sales.

    Just my two cents.
    The difference between JS and RG is that Royce only went to decision one time in his UFC career, a draw with Ken Shamrock. Other than that he lost to Matt Hughes and submitted EVERYONE ELSE. Grappling can be, and is, exciting. I think that JS's specific style was perceived as boring because there were long periods of him waiting for his opponent to make a mistake; which leads to inaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SickNasty View Post
    The difference between JS and RG is that Royce only went to decision one time in his UFC career, a draw with Ken Shamrock. Other than that he lost to Matt Hughes and submitted EVERYONE ELSE. Grappling can be, and is, exciting. I think that JS's specific style was perceived as boring because there were long periods of him waiting for his opponent to make a mistake; which leads to inaction.
    Yes but the Severn fight was long than 15 minutes. There was no 3 5 minute rounds back then.
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    ...I still don't think he even beat Kampmann. He's got a bad habit of winning bullshit split decisions, and I imagine the UFC brass saw it the same way. The guy is the Leonard Garcia of the welterweight division, just without the excitement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fe1 View Post
    ...I still don't think he even beat Kampmann. He's got a bad habit of winning bullshit split decisions, and I imagine the UFC brass saw it the same way. The guy is the Leonard Garcia of the welterweight division, just without the excitement.
    Jake Shields got cut not Diego Sanchez...
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