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    Riv, I agree with you. I love wrestling, but I don't enjoy 14 minutes of guard with light body shots. My problem though is that too many people blame the wrestler, and not the guy who knew he was fighting a guy with good wrestling, but didn't come prepared to stop it. The UFC signs these elite D1 wrestlers, and then signs a bunch of strikers that haven't wrestled a day in their lives before they started MMA. Then the UFC matches those guys up, and when the wrestler does what got him there, and what is also the smartest way to win, he gets a ton of hate. What did everybody expect would happen? I mean sometimes you get a Hendo or a Hendricks, but for the most part when those guys mess with their successful formula, they hurt their career. Take Koscheck, he would probably have a few less L's on his record if he didn't go through a phase where he thought he was a top striker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    Riv, I agree with you. I love wrestling, but I don't enjoy 14 minutes of guard with light body shots. My problem though is that too many people blame the wrestler, and not the guy who knew he was fighting a guy with good wrestling, but didn't come prepared to stop it. The UFC signs these elite D1 wrestlers, and then signs a bunch of strikers that haven't wrestled a day in their lives before they started MMA. Then the UFC matches those guys up, and when the wrestler does what got him there, and what is also the smartest way to win, he gets a ton of hate. What did everybody expect would happen? I mean sometimes you get a Hendo or a Hendricks, but for the most part when those guys mess with their successful formula, they hurt their career. Take Koscheck, he would probably have a few less L's on his record if he didn't go through a phase where he thought he was a top striker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    he UFC signs these elite D1 wrestlers, and then signs a bunch of strikers that haven't wrestled a day in their lives before they started MMA. Then the UFC matches those guys up, and when the wrestler does what got him there, and what is also the smartest way to win, he gets a ton of hate.
    I'm not hating on anyone, for the record. Of all the people I know, I'm one of the few people who looked forward to watching Fitch fight.

    But to take your "what did they expect would happen" logic a step further: What did the wrestler in question expect would happen if he played it safe and won? Sure, he collects a check and moves a step or two up in the hierarchy, but he'd be foolish to expect love and appreciation. Particularly because MMA does such a godawful job of actually educating their audience. When you think of the unwashed masses who get their MMA insight primarily from Rogan, it's actually very sad.

    To look at your scenario though: the wrestler isn't expected to improve/adapt outside of their bread and butter, because they can win, but the striker is expected to adapt? I think that's unfortunate. In the best of all possible worlds, we'd see all fighters improving, but obviously we're not going to get that.

    But what we do have is an inappropriately strong bias in both rules and scoring for wrestling.

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    Unwashed masses. Do stupid people not bath? Is that where that idiom comes from?
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    I agree 110 percent about the bias towards wrestling in scoring and rules. I'll take it a step farther and point out that wrestling is _the_ dominant martial art in MMA right now. I feel its the only dicipline that you can use exclusively and still win. A good wrestler with horrible to average striking and very basic BJJ training can go a long way under current MMA rules.

    I think the decline of the "sprawl and brawl" style is responsible for much of the anti-wrestling sentiment currently going around. Chuck spoiled us with exciting fights, defensive wrestling and I think an unrealistic standard of what we expect from MMA fights and fighters. I think if we wait it out, styles will eventually change again. Wrestling will find a more equal place in MMA once rules begin getting adjusted, and fighters adjust with them.

    Another real big problem with the view of wrestlers are these fighters who cant defend wrestling, so therefore they do their best to discredit it as a skill. "All he did is lay on me for 3(5) rounds." is a terribly inaccurate statement. What really happened is the wrestler picked that fighter up, put them on their back, and held them down against their will for the entire fight. The losing fighter got their game-plan nullified, had no stage to showcase on, and is upset about it. As has been mentioned above and in several threads recently, its not the wrestlers fault people cant defend his style.

    Finally, Id rather watch a "wrestlef*cking" then watch a guy backpedal with his hand outstretched and open, avoiding strikes and endangering his opponents eyes. Yes, both are valid strategies, but one of those two tends to lead to a lot more serious injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio View Post
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    I think if we wait it out, styles will eventually change again. Wrestling will find a more equal place in MMA once rules begin getting adjusted, and fighters adjust with them.
    I think this will happen because people don't want to pay to watch LNP fights.

    Finally, Id rather watch a "wrestlef*cking" then watch a guy backpedal with his hand outstretched and open, avoiding strikes and endangering his opponents eyes. Yes, both are valid strategies, but one of those two tends to lead to a lot more serious injuries.
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    Beefcake. BEEFCAKE!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    He's likely just getting himself paid more, like that time he made himself a shitload of extra money just to attend press conferences. Call him dumb all you want because of how he talks or whatever reasoning you have, but he knows how to get himself PAID, period.

    Hopefully they pay the man, I say he beats Lombard in a 5 rounder...and I give him a shot to beat anyone in a 5 rounder now that GSP is gone. Lets be honest, the WW division looked like it got set back about 5 years in that last title fight. That division is way more wide open than it has been in a long time.


    That guy is a joke lol he has a super aggressive stance for literally everything he posts about. He's the Wandy of MMA forums. And he just about gets off all over his computer by bashing the Diaz Bros.

    It's FRIDAY!!!
    I think we may have all been trolled here. That interview made way too much sense. It couldn't have possibly been Nick? Could it? JK
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    In my opinion, you're never gonna stop wrestling from being dominant, because it is dominant (sorry for the bias), but I have no problem with forcing the action after the takedown. I wouldn't have a problem with a stalling call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio View Post
    Unwashed masses. Do stupid people not bath? Is that where that idiom comes from?
    Wasn't too long ago that washing was frowned upon by the Church lol

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