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    Didn't he decline a fight with Lombard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre View Post
    ... but again, if Nick's only after titles, then they're quite limited.

    I also think that while Nick has pretty shoddy TDD, his cardio could very well drain Hendricks, were they ever to be matched up.
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    Didn't he decline a fight with Lombard?
    Nick is after titles or money. He's made no bones about it for years now: he fights to get paid, not for pleasure, not for fame, not for the thrill. He finds fighting in a cage dehumanizing and disrespectful, but he does it to get paid.

    Nick would be a great way to make Rory into a draw. They could actually count on him not showing up for pressers, and have a second plan--interviews with his cornermen, with his mom, with his brother, whatever. Set the pressers up to give the audience something when Nick doesn't make it...and the novelty of that--plus the UFC's editing--would be something new and potentially crazy enough to work.

    I think the only drawback to paying Nick a half-mil flat rate is that it sets a precedent. You're going to have other fighters pull what Nate just did: "if he gets that, well, then I'm worth this..." kind of thing. But you've got to spend money to make money, and Nick is not only a proven draw, he's enough of a personality that he could showcase other talent. Plus, he never underwhelms in the cage. Even when he's stalking guys who are out to win on points, he's putting on a show. Based on those merits alone, he should be getting paid more than, say, a Michael Bisping. I'd give him a flat rate, no win bonus, but with some incentives [do this presser and you get X, finish the fight and you get Y] and some caveats [fail the drug test and you get z].

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Nick is after titles or money. He's made no bones about it for years now: he fights to get paid, not for pleasure, not for fame, not for the thrill. He finds fighting in a cage dehumanizing and disrespectful, but he does it to get paid.

    Nick would be a great way to make Rory into a draw. They could actually count on him not showing up for pressers, and have a second plan--interviews with his cornermen, with his mom, with his brother, whatever. Set the pressers up to give the audience something when Nick doesn't make it...and the novelty of that--plus the UFC's editing--would be something new and potentially crazy enough to work.

    I think the only drawback to paying Nick a half-mil flat rate is that it sets a precedent. You're going to have other fighters pull what Nate just did: "if he gets that, well, then I'm worth this..." kind of thing. But you've got to spend money to make money, and Nick is not only a proven draw, he's enough of a personality that he could showcase other talent. Plus, he never underwhelms in the cage. Even when he's stalking guys who are out to win on points, he's putting on a show. Based on those merits alone, he should be getting paid more than, say, a Michael Bisping. I'd give him a flat rate, no win bonus, but with some incentives [do this presser and you get X, finish the fight and you get Y] and some caveats [fail the drug test and you get z].

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    From what I've been hearing, they're terrified of what the buyrate Barao/Dillashaw is going to draw(well below 200K) and with all of these watered down cards, they're looking to resort to booking PPVs that maybe don't follow traditional ranking-style booking, but more pro wrestling style "heat" match ups, where guys will sell the fight HARD. It wouldn't shock me one bit of we got Anderson/Diaz as Anderson's return fight, as IMO as long as ZUFFA is in the PPV business, they'll have to get the buys and currently they aren't there.

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    The smarter move would be to _NOT_ give in to the demands of a fading and self-proclaimed unmotivated fighter, and rather turn that press and hype power into developing new stars. Rather then temporarily filling a void, replace GSP by spending the money Nick is trying to demand on sending a publicist over to Jon Jones. Dump that 500k into buying Rory a personality. Screw it, offer Jake Shields that 500k to fight 3 more times or something!! There are so many better options to help falling star power then buying another falling star.

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    I still don't get this whole Nick Diaz is a proven draw stuff. He has had 3 fights in the UFC since his Strikeforce exit. One was against BJ Penn (legend), one was against GSP (legend and PPV selling machine), and the one that I guess you could credit him as being the star of, against Condit, didn't do particularly well, and you could even credit that partially to the budding GSP-Diaz rivalry. Diaz being a draw, in my opinion, is one of those things that's been said enough times that it's accepted as true now. I have a lot of casual MMA fan friends, and not once have I heard any of them say anything about being excited to see Diaz fight.

    I'm sure somebody will post some PPV numbers that make me look foolish, but I think Nick's stardom is greatly exaggerated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I have a lot of casual MMA fan friends, and not once have I heard any of them say anything about being excited to see Diaz fight.
    Minus the time he fought GSP this is how it is with my casual mma fan friends as well. Only reason they knew who he was is because he was fighting GSP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I still don't get this whole Nick Diaz is a proven draw stuff. He has had 3 fights in the UFC since his Strikeforce exit. One was against BJ Penn (legend), one was against GSP (legend and PPV selling machine), and the one that I guess you could credit him as being the star of, against Condit, didn't do particularly well, and you could even credit that partially to the budding GSP-Diaz rivalry. Diaz being a draw, in my opinion, is one of those things that's been said enough times that it's accepted as true now. I have a lot of casual MMA fan friends, and not once have I heard any of them say anything about being excited to see Diaz fight.

    I'm sure somebody will post some PPV numbers that make me look foolish, but I think Nick's stardom is greatly exaggerated.
    I agree. I think people are confusing the fact that he puts on exciting fights with the idea that that equates to buy rates or "being a draw". I dont think that is the case; just my opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0mega1 View Post
    I agree. I think people are confusing the fact that he puts on exciting fights with the idea that that equates to buy rates or "being a draw". I dont think that is the case; just my opinion though.
    He is a bigger draw than a large majority of fighters right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    He is a bigger draw than a large majority of fighters right now.
    Where would you put him in terms of drawing power? On a casual fan's scale.

    Id put him in the top 20 (anywhere from #10 - 20 I wouldnt have a problem with) for drawing power for active UFC fighters. Even if he was top 10 in draw power I wouldnt pay him $500k or even $250K per fight. At the very most I would give him $100K to show. This shit is annoying as hell. Dont be a bitch and ask for a release because all of a sudden you dont think you're getting what you're worth. Be a man and finish your obligation/contract and then renegotiate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris View Post
    The smarter move would be to _NOT_ give in to the demands of a fading and self-proclaimed unmotivated fighter, and rather turn that press and hype power into developing new stars.
    fading?

    What makes you state that he's fading?

    I think they can parlay his name into showcasing developing new stars, as I'd mentioned with Rory. Alone, Rory is about as charismatic as a blank piece of paper. But put him with Nick as a foil, and you can have him play a variety of roles.

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    I still don't get this whole Nick Diaz is a proven draw stuff. He has had 3 fights in the UFC since his Strikeforce exit. One was against BJ Penn (legend), one was against GSP (legend and PPV selling machine), and the one that I guess you could credit him as being the star of, against Condit, didn't do particularly well, and you could even credit that partially to the budding GSP-Diaz rivalry.
    he's a draw...he's not a megastar, by any means, but he's a draw...you're forgetting that the Condit bout was a slapped together affair after Georges got injured. Both fighters had time for a full camp, but there was nothing in the way of promotional power that Zuffa could bring to bear. And that despite the card being watered down without supporting star power, it still did 400k buys...or more than Hendricks/Lawler for the championship.

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    Where would you put him in terms of drawing power? On a casual fan's scale.
    While I don't think any of us are unbiased enough to accurately depict a casual fan's perspective, I have several friends who watch TUF and UFN's and buy maybe 2 cards a year. If you gave them a dollar for every UFC fighter they could name, Nick Diaz would be in the first 20, if not the first 10. He's a personality.

    Even if he was top 10 in draw power I wouldnt pay him $500k or even $250K per fight. At the very most I would give him $100K to show. This shit is annoying as hell. Dont be a bitch and ask for a release because all of a sudden you dont think you're getting what you're worth. Be a man and finish your obligation/contract and then renegotiate.
    What are you basing your numbers off of?

    Do you have any access to books, or his extrapolated drawing power, or even the scale that other fighters are receiving?

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