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    In theory the eye contact can be unintentional, but I would argue that when a skillful wrestler commits repeated "unintentional" pokes, that the act speak for itself.
    enough said

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    Quote Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke View Post
    I think a dirty fighter is someone who intentionally breaks the rules to gain an advantage over someone. I don't think Jones does this but i do agree that he should have a point taken away without warning next time he pokes someones eye. But fighting sloppy is different than fighting dirty in my opinion.

    I'm okay with the oblique kicks. I just think that is a smart technique and isnt meant to injure people. Its just a different kind of jab.

    Anyone who has failed a drug test due to PEDs is a much more dirty fighter than Jon Jones.
    Sloppy or intentional, Jones should still be held accountable for his actions. Just like knees to a downed opponent, a point should be taken if this 'sloppy' act happens more than once in a fight or a fighter is a repeat offender.

    Would it be ok for a fighter to consistently knee an opponent in the head while they are pinned up against the fence fighting to get up from a take down w/ 3 limbs still on the mat (due to either poor judgement or sloppy technique)?

    No other foul, if done numerous times in a fight on numerous occasions by the same fighter could be justified by claiming it is sloppy technique.


    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows
    agree with pretty much all of this.
    Flopping like a fish out of water.

    I thought you said Jones should not have any points deducted because it was due to his Muay Thai techniques?

    Now he should be penalized next eye poke?

    I thought you claimed Jones should not be faulted at all on the eye pokes because he has never had a point deducted from a ref for it?

    Your stance is softening, no?

    Can you at the very least admit Jones is a chronic eye poke offender?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick_Lunatic View Post
    Read this one awhile back and thought it was interesting ...

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/7/...e-mma-analysis

    It basically questions if Koscheck learned the 'art of eye pokeitsu' during his amateur wrestling days. Same could be said for Jones, no? One thing is for certain, The Eye-pokealypse is here!
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    I think this was one of the better posts in the last few pages:
    Quote Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke View Post
    I think a dirty fighter is someone who intentionally breaks the rules to gain an advantage over someone. I don't think Jones does this but i do agree that he should have a point taken away without warning next time he pokes someones eye. But fighting sloppy is different than fighting dirty in my opinion.
    well, this part of it, anyway.

    I think there is a spectrum of acceptable/appreciated behavior; and not everyone is going to subscribe to the same perspective, particularly if they're a fan of Jones [or any other fighter that's being discussed].

    For me, the demarcation between "dirty" and "clean" isn't set by the unified rules, it's set by intent. If a fighter doesn't care if his opponent gets injured and exploits opportunities that can cause needless injury and keep them out of the game for an extended period of time, they're dirty. But there are gradients along the spectrum between "clean" and "dirty" fighters that can indicate how dirty someone is. Off the top of my head, I'd probably break it up something like this:


    A fighters who care about their opponents health and try their best to win without inflicting needless injury
    ...
    B sloppy fighters who would prefer not to needlessly injure their opponents, but who fail in their technique and foul/cause injury
    ...
    C fighters who don't care about opponents getting injured and will exploit any edge to win that isn't expressly against the rules
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    D fighters who use PED's to gain an edge
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    E fighters who will do anything to win, including PEDs and/or deliberate fouls
    ...

    Personally, I think anything past A and B are dirty, and B is still cast into shadow because a professional shouldn't be sloppy and should be honing techniques that don't needlessly injure their opponents, particularly if they're fighting at the level where they are showing up on PPVs.

    I don't think PED's are always necessarily worse than deliberately causing long-term/unnecessary injuries, but that's a case-by-case judgement, and I can certainly see where they would be.

    I don't know bones, so I--like everyone else on the board--really not qualified to state where he lies on this spectrum, but I can say with confidence he's absolutely not in A. I would hope he's not doing anything deliberately, but his trolling vid casts that into doubt--minimally, it's a graphic illustration that he doesn't care; at it's worst, he's laughing at getting away with deliberate fouls. So I'd say he's either too inept to keep from poking people's eyes--another nail in the coffin of his alleged P4P prowess--or he doesn't care about eye pokes, which puts him on the dirty side, to me.

    But I get that it's a personal opinion, from someone who doesn't really care about his success or failure.

    I'm okay with the oblique kicks. I just think that is a smart technique and isnt meant to injure people. Its just a different kind of jab.
    have you ever had your knee hyper extended?

    It might not be intended to cause long-term injury, but it's intended to cause damage to the joint, and it's far less controllable than an armbar/leglock/kimura/etc. There are simply too many variables for me to think it should be legal, but I get that they are...I'll just never be convinced that they aren't dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post

    Flopping like a fish out of water.

    I thought you said Jones should not have any points deducted because it was due to his Muay Thai techniques?

    Now he should be penalized next eye poke?

    I thought you claimed Jones should not be faulted at all on the eye pokes because he has never had a point deducted from a ref for it?

    Your stance is softening, no?

    Can you at the very least admit Jones is a chronic eye poke offender?
    When I was in high school, there was an autistic guy in my music class. One day he just happened to overhear someone mention that Elton John is gay. They weren't trying to be offensive or derogatory in any way but when he heard this he lost his mind and started screaming "NOOOOOO ELTON JOHN IS NOT GAY." Well this situation kind of reminds me of that. Just a huge fan choosing to ignore facts and evidence (no matter how obvious it is) to defend their idol and believe what they want to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fe1 View Post
    When I was in high school, there was an autistic guy in my music class. One day he just happened to overhear someone mention that Elton John is gay. They weren't trying to be offensive or derogatory in any way but when he heard this he lost his mind and started screaming "NOOOOOO ELTON JOHN IS NOT GAY." Well this situation kind of reminds me of that. Just a huge fan choosing to ignore facts and evidence (no matter how obvious it is) to defend their idol and believe what they want to believe.
    As I read your post, Tiny Dancer played in my head, so why not share it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    As I read your post, Tiny Dancer played in my head, so why not share
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    Flopping like a fish out of water.

    I thought you said Jones should not have any points deducted because it was due to his Muay Thai techniques?

    Now he should be penalized next eye poke?

    I thought you claimed Jones should not be faulted at all on the eye pokes because he has never had a point deducted from a ref for it?

    Your stance is softening, no?

    Can you at the very least admit Jones is a chronic eye poke offender?
    I said

    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    agree with pretty much all of this.
    i said pretty much all - not all. I do think its part of the technique and the ref are more than welcome to take a point away as they see fit. They havent, ever. So theres that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    Or when rampage rape chocked wandy for 3 extra shots when he was KTFO already. That was okay because they had beef. Or Anderson grabbing multiple shorts against chael, and up kicking okami. Its funny, people dont talk about Jones winning against Glover - they talk about how dirty he is. Anderson beats chael a second time and its "fuck chael, he just got smashed blah blah blah" when the knee came seconds after an anderson silva short grab - which was his only offense of the entire fight - but nothing is ever said about him being dirty in that fight.

    I'll just chalk that up to yet ANOTHER double standard around here.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    is it dirty? or unsportsmanlike? One could argue both ways.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    because contrary to public belief around here Jones isnt a dirty fighter. And no, Jones doesnt "pretty much acknowledge he is a dirty fighter" with the video. I think hes mocking people whining and claiming hes a dirty fighter - because thats the only knock they have on him - if you can even call it that.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    The way i look at the hand out is to measure distance to set up elbows. It is a muay thai technique as someone pointed out in the earlier pages as well as a way to throw off the opponent. Notice how rampage is worrying about the hand and where it is and not the punches or elbows that come after it? My best example is in basketball, when a player is defending another player and puts their hand directly in their face. Now you have to worry about a persons hand in your face when trying to make the basket, or in this case throw a punch or go for a takedown.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    yes, now its the ref calling the foul right? And there are refs in mma right? and they ARENT calling the foul right? And i assume thats Jones fault too?
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    And its the refs job to enforce the rules inside the octagon. Like i said its part of the technique he uses. Would you stop throwing inside leg kicks because you can hit some in the dick? Or knees in the clinch because you could hit them in the dick. If the refs saw a problem with what he was doing the would enforce it and take points away - which they can 100% do and its totally up to their discretion in the heat of the moment, but they havent. And while we are at it, are foot stomps dirty?
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    I use to think Kongo was a dirty fighter, but in all honesty i dont really recall him fighting dirty recently. I dont think Jones is dirty. To each their own i guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    like i said USE TO THINK - if a fighter hasnt done a dirty thing - like kicking someone in the dick - in 3+ years its hard to label them as a dirty fighter.

    But once again, to each their own i guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke View Post
    I think a dirty fighter is someone who intentionally breaks the rules to gain an advantage over someone. I don't think Jones does this but i do agree that he should have a point taken away without warning next time he pokes someones eye. But fighting sloppy is different than fighting dirty in my opinion.

    I'm okay with the oblique kicks. I just think that is a smart technique and isnt meant to injure people. Its just a different kind of jab.

    Anyone who has failed a drug test due to PEDs is a much more dirty fighter than Jon Jones.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    agree with pretty much all of this.
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    I said



    i said pretty much all - not all. I do think its part of the technique and the ref are more than welcome to take a point away as they see fit. They havent, ever. So theres that.

    So then what do you agree with and what dont you agree with because your logic through out this whole thread has me very confused.

    So if it is not technique by Kongo, like you think it is by Jones, you think Kongo is doing it all on purpose but yet you still dont think he is a dirty fighter as he has not crushed anyones nuts since he started fighting in Bellator?

    And Knog ois not dirty cuz he didnt lose points for all the nut shots inthe Cro Cop fight?

    Do I have this correct cuz I would hate to misrepresent your opinion and honestly I am pretty confused.
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    He's trying to say that Jon Pokes Jones isn't a dirty fighter.



    ...in the same way that Elton John isn't gay...

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