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Thread: Vitor Belfort Releases Statement On Drug Test, Says Results Were “Above The Range”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    Haven't we seen reem and chael above 5x the limit or am I high?
    As far as I'm aware the allowed limit is a 4:1 testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. Chael hit a 16.9:1 and Overeem hit a 14:1.

    However... Chael actually made a seemingly valid point, when "defending" Overeem's positive test. Obviously taking it with a grain of salt, because it was Chael that stated it. But he claimed that the ratio doesn't necessarily mean that someone has a high testosterone level, but could in fact have a low epitestosterone level. That of course would make the testosterone half of the ratio look through the roof. Jesus, this shit is too complicated, which is probably one of the reasons the commissions banned the shit all together.

    But beyond that, I don't recall seeing any sort of ng/dL levels from either fighter, as there is with Vitor. Just testosterone/epitestosterone ratios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    As far as I'm aware the allowed limit is a 4:1 testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. Chael hit a 16.9:1 and Overeem hit a 14:1.

    However... Chael actually made a seemingly valid point, when "defending" Overeem's positive test. Obviously taking it with a grain of salt, because it was Chael that stated it. But he claimed that the ratio doesn't necessarily mean that someone has a high testosterone level, but could in fact have a low epitestosterone level. That of course would make the testosterone half of the ratio look through the roof. Jesus, this shit is too complicated, which is probably one of the reasons the commissions banned the shit all together.

    But beyond that, I don't recall seeing any sort of ng/dL levels from either fighter, as there is with Vitor. Just testosterone/epitestosterone ratios.
    In Overeem's case it really shouldn't have mattered what his levels were the fact he took testosterone injections without actually applying for an exemption was enough to warrant a suspension. I never bought his doctors explanation for the injections either.

    Funny that Chael is talking like he is an expert on the subject. When he was before the CSAC for his suspension hearing the guy couldn't even tell you how much he was injecting himself with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    With hardcore fans? Heck no.
    Just count the number of threads on the Vitor juicing controversy and compare them to the number of threads concerned with sonnen juicing.

    Neither one has ever admitted any wrongdoing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    Haven't we seen reem and chael above 5x the limit or am I high?
    sonnen was more than 14x, AO was more than 17x.

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    Didn't Vitor also fight overseas while he was under suspension?
    He did. But a suspension in NV only works in NV. Other ACs may choose to honor it, but it's by no means worldwide. When the CSAC went after Bigfoot [and his cornermen!] for fighting abroad, it was widely seen as overstepping their bounds.

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    Post-fight "scrum" tonight should be interesting, I wonder how long Dana's going to kayfabe everybody about this before he gets all grumpy and just dumps on Vitor.... Specifically, I think Vitor looks bad as hell for asking to be put back into the Weidman title fight, knowing that he had these results. Wanna talk about a PPV killer, jeez....

    This whole thing is pretty good news for Jacare IMO, because it really clears a path for him to getting the next title shot if Vitor is in hot water with commissions.

    I mean, how the hell can ZUFFA make any kind of valid argument for a Vitor title fight(if he doesn't score a license, which....I mean....c'mon, I don't see it happening) against the winner of Machida/Weidman since he's already failed one test and this TRT situation looks to be by all accounts is in a "fool me twice" repeat offender situation going forward. Would they really be willing to risk the MW championship falling into Vitor's hands in an international fight and then he can't get a license to fight in the US? That's a helluva risk and from all I've been reading, Vitor's not in the best position going forward....

    I'm also wondering if Vitor's not going to be start being looked upon as a PPV liability going forward, especially if they ever want to book him in Nevada, NJ etc for major fights(after all he's a huge name).

    Let's say he gets a suspension, when he comes back are they going to have to start finding places that'll license him(LOOKIN AT YOU TEXAS) where they're more lax and lenient in what constitutes licensing given that he's a repeat offender?

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    I don't think they can suspend him, as he wasn't licensed at the time; he volunteered for the test. They can only deny him a license.

    I honestly think Vitor has a great shot at getting a license. Not because he deserves one, by any means.

    I see it this way:
    The AC loves money. They gave a license to sonnen, after sonnen tested more hot, lied to the CAAC and also lied in a manner that directly implicated Kizer. sonnen also came in 14x over the "normal" ratio limit. They not only gave a license to sonnen, they issued him a TUE. Think about that for a minute.

    Vitor has valid concerns with the result of the 2006 test. It's probably bullshit, but it's far more convincing than, say Sean Sherk and a host of other doods saying they mixed two products from GNC and came up hot.

    TUE has a weird impact on TUE ratios, but one that doesn't last. As it's been explained to me by an endocrinologist at the university, it depends on the methodology used for the TRT. With common practice, if he got a treatment the morning of his test, he could potentially have a brief spike that would cause him to fail. The fact that even in failing, his numbers are still lower than most people who have been popped would support that. Off hand, I can't think of anyone who failed with numbers as close as Vitor.

    Again, I think he'll probably come in with a team of specialists that will break down the process and indicate they did the treatment, and it wasn't anything he did.

    I think the fact that Vitor took the test voluntarily supports all that information, and is much better show of faith than, say AO fleeing the country, rather than submitting to a test. He could have just said no, on the advice of his medical team, and submitted a series of passed results when trying to get licensed.


    And note, none of this means that I rule out that he's been juicing all along. I just think he's got as much, if not more, doubt than anyone else.


    But ultimately, it comes down to money. I think there will be sanctions, much like they did with AO, but I think the AC will hem and haw and posture, but I don't see them not licensing a cash cow. And Vitor is an exciting fighter who is arguably even more of a draw because so many people want to see him lose now.

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    Should he get licensed? No.

    Will he? Yes.

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead
    Get out of jail free cards vary person to person, but I'd say sonnen gets more than Vitor.

    The guy tested more hotly than Vitor, lied under oath to an official AC inquiry, got to use TRT regardless; plagiarizes half of his unfunny PR, and there are still fans who are into his bullshit because he's willing to take unearned title shots at a moments notice.
    I'm a Sonnen fan, but not for the reason you mention. Going into the first Silva fight, Sonnen was a big underdog, and he was fairly straight forward, if not dull, in his interviews. Silva just came off of a very frustrating fight for fans against Maia, clowning and dancing, and I figured it was going to be another easy win for Silva, if not boring or frustrating again. Chael reinvented his persona leading up to this fight, claiming he was Anderson's punishment, and coming up with all sorts of wacky statements. I found them silly and nothing more than a way for a fighter who wasn't all that popular to hype a fight and try to bring attention to himself. After the fight, I viewed things completely differently.

    On the night of the fight, he did virtually everything right, and he was the first person I had seen dominate Anderson Silva. The place I was watching the fight at was going bonkers. He mentally gave up in that fight at the end by resting upright instead of keeping his weight on Silva, but regardless, looking back at the lead up and how everything went down, I gained a lot of respect for the guy. With the exception of Jones and the weird Evans showing, he has been competitive in every loss, and he has been dominant in most wins. Not everyone will chuckle at some of his old wrestling lines or his attempts at humor, but I do, because he does it in such a way to mock the whole lead up / interview process. As he says, at the end of the day, it's pretty simple, we are watching two guys in a fist fight - everything else is nonsense. He capitalizes on the rest being nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scallas View Post

    On the night of the fight, he did virtually everything right, and he was the first person I had seen dominate Anderson Silva. The place I was watching the fight at was going bonkers. He mentally gave up in that fight at the end by resting upright instead of keeping his weight on Silva, but regardless, looking back at the lead up and how everything went down, I gained a lot of respect for the guy.

    I think you just proved Riv's point...

    Sonnen had the testosterone of a bull shark that night and yet people seem to give him a pass for it and talk about how Sonnen was the first man to dominate Anderson Silva.
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    Who on this forum is giving Chael a pass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Who on this forum is giving Chael a pass?
    Well...

    The poster I was responding to for one.

    And, all the sonnen nut-huggers for another.
    Last edited by Cat--Smasher; 06-07-2014 at 10:33 PM.
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