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Thread: Fedor: If I was in my prime, I'd want to fight Cain

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1inthechamber View Post
    I didn't say he was scared. He just chose never signed with the ufc to test himself against the top guys in the division (most were in the ufc). As great as he was, that will always stick out to me as well. Its easy to just blame his management but at the end of the day he communicates with his management and let them try negotiating those stupid things like co-promoting and etc. I really doubt he was completely outta the loop of what kinda offers and requests were being made.
    You are so wrong about this I don't know where to begin.

    The UFC did not MOST of the best heavyweights. Sure they had Cain a JDS who were not exactly the household names they are now. Aside from that they had who? Brock, Mir, Nog, Carwin Im sure I'm missing someone but my point is they had a handful of big names, and some upcoming talent. Outside of the UFC you had Alister, Barnett, Werdum, BigFoot, Brett Rogers, Daniel Cormier probably others I'm overlooking. Again a handful of big names and some up and comers.

    There where as many if not more challenges outside of the UFC as in. Fedor was not ducking anyone. In my opinion, he just didnt want to work for someone who sent much of the last several years shitting all over Fedor.

    None of us will ever know exactly why a deal couldn't be worked out but suggesting The UFC had the best heavyweights and Fedor was ducking them is comical. Hell all you have to do is look at the UFC's ranking and you'll see 5 or so of the top 10 are guys that were in Strikeforce when Fedor signed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasha K View Post
    You say that Fedor never faced anybody like Cain, and that is true, however Cain has never faced anybody like Fedor. You are underestimating Fedor in a huge way if you think that Cain would easily blow through him at any point of their careers.
    Yes, Cain has never faced anyone like Fedor; he's faced better. I'm not taking anything away from Fedor, yes he probably was one of the greatest in his time, but that was his time. MMA is no longer what it was back then. A new breed like Cain would just devour Fedor. I don't think Fedor's skills in his prime would have been enough in this day in age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braddahmatt View Post
    Yes, Cain has never faced anyone like Fedor; he's faced better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by braddahmatt View Post
    Yes, Cain has never faced anyone like Fedor; he's faced better.
    Uhhh.. just no. But on topic. Cain at heavyweight is a lot like Edgar was at ww. They are both pretty small for their weight classes, but they are much quicker than the rest of the people in it. Add that in with better conditioning and good wresting and they just give fits to all the people in their divisions. With Fedor, Cain's usually huge speed advantage and superior gas tank are no longer relevant, so I have no idea how it would play out. I'm not saying a prime Fedor would beat Cain, but it would be a great match up.



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    Yes, Cain has never faced anyone like Fedor; he's faced better
    Really? Who??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasha K View Post
    Really? Who??
    Lesnar



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    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
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    Now you know damn well that in his prime Fedor would of put Lesnar down. Brock would of bullrushed him like he did Herring only Fedor would of countered with strikes as he sidestepped him and put him to sleep.

    Prime Fedor vs Cain would of been a fight for the ages in my opinion, wish we could of witnessed that. So many fights that we missed out on by the way M1 and UFC handled their negotiations in entirely the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HillbillyDeluxe View Post
    Now you know damn well that in his prime Fedor would of put Lesnar down. Brock would of bullrushed him like he did Herring only Fedor would of countered with strikes as he sidestepped him and put him to sleep.

    Prime Fedor vs Cain would of been a fight for the ages in my opinion, wish we could of witnessed that. So many fights that we missed out on by the way M1 and UFC handled their negotiations in entirely the wrong way.
    lol i was just fucking around. BUT in all honesty i think lesnar pre illness could have gave Fedor a go. Brock is a fucking beast with legit wrestling and had a chin - never actually KO'd and took a hell of a beating from carwin and survived it and won. His size and strength matched with his speed would have gave Fedor problems imo as well much like Bigfoot did for him aside from the speed aspect.

    Im not saying he wins, im just saying its not as one side as ppl think it would be imo. Fedor's the GOAT at HW, arguably all time (AS).
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    Brock would of gave him a fight no doubt, his wrestling is damn near 2nd to none for his size and strength, but I think Fedor could handle it. He fought bigger.. bigger doesnt always make you badder, but it helps.
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    Lesnar was so inconsistent in his short MMA career that it's really hard to know how the Brock/Fedor fight would've gone. If you break down Lesnar's performance/opponents/etc, you can see why:

    [1] Min-Soo Kim - Squash match; doesn't tell us much
    [2] Frank Mir - Brock went at Mir very recklessly and paid for it. However, some folks say that in his 2nd fight, he showed promise if he could control that recklessness.
    [3] Heath Herring - Here, Brock showed intelligence in his game planning. He was adamant to not get over-excited and rode Herring out.
    [4] Randy Couture - Although Couture was a formidable opponent, he was still nearly 65 lbs at a disadvantage come fight time and was coming off a 15-month layoff. Couture seemed to control Lesnar for most of the fight [surprisingly] in the clinch and it seemed that he was going to ride his way into a decision victory. However, he got caught behind the year with a punch and the rest is history. Although Brock won the fight, his performance generally was poor.
    [5] Frank Mir - This was Brock's best performance in his whole career. He intelligently controlled Mir, beat him and then TKO'ed him.
    [6] Shane Carwin - First round was brutal for Lesnar; Carwin then gassed out badly and then got choked out. In terms of performance, it wasn't good either but he definitely showed a lot of heart in this fight.
    [7] Cain Velasquez - He pretty much got beat up. Very bad performance.
    [8] Alistair Overeem - Looked even worse than the Cain fight. Very bad performance once again.

    Fights 6,7,8 where he had very poor performances was all post-diverticulitis, so people may [or may not] excuse that one. Fights 1-4 didn't tell us much about his potential even if he won and became the UFC champ. Fight 5 (Mir II) was a great one in performance and everything but it's hard to judge one fight on his own on how he would've done.

    I honestly have no clue how Lesnar would've looked against Fedor even if it was immediately after Mir II. Would he have caved after one two bombs from Fedor? Would he have controlled Fedor like the Mir fight at least for a round or two? Would he have been armbarred?

    We can all make speculations but if we were going with history, performance and consistency, then it's likely that Fedor would've beat Brock and pretty convincingly. He may have done well for a round in terms of takedown and some control but I can very likely see Fedor with his arm raised at the end in most scenarios.

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