Anderson Silva took all of that finesse and Mau Thai and lost to a can in Pride, all while competing under unified rules and winning. And let’s not forget his fight against Ryo Chonan, where he had the height, weight, size, and strength advantage, and still lost, and would have lost even without the submission.
GSP, who has his base in Kyokushin, went on to adopt wrestling after being finished by Matt Serra.
Cain, a wrestler who has adopted Maui Thai.
Sounds just like the "secular" fighters who you described in Pride.
Last edited by The Joker; 08-09-2014 at 03:42 AM.
Chonan from what I remember was getting murdered by Silva until he pulled off that highlight submission.
Chonan was winning
I consider Fedor the greatest of all time so I would have to go with Prime Fedor defeating prime Cain, although Cain is certainly appearing he'll go down as one of the all time great heavyweights and probably at #2 right now behind Fedor. Anyhow I wouldn't be surprised if Cain won but I really cannot deny a prime Fedor as he won every fight no matter what advantage the other fighter seemed to have, whether it be wrestling, submissions, striking, etc. Fedor always found a way to win.
Its a completely useless argument. The difference in enviroments that the two fighters competed in are too much to overcome and find a happy medium to judge this question on. The cage/ring difference alone makes this argument impossible. Both fighters are(were) very dominant in their own enviroment, but in Fedor's case, his success didnt translate well at all into the cage. Having watched Cain's fights, I feel his style would not translate well into a ring at all. For the most part, I think wrestlers will always be better cage then ring fighters, which speaks volumes to the points brought up about the pride fighters success against wrestlers listed in several posts above. This is also the reason I feel a lot of the pride fighters didnt translate as well to north american MMA as was expected.
All in all, what Im trying to say is home field advantage wins this hypothetical fight, and more due to adaptation then skillset.
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