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[leedogg900]

free palma!

[Clint]

Originally Posted by sodium_nitrate

if an admin can create a joke account and mess around without any kind of recourse, what king of message are you sending to your members? if you say that 'it's cool because most people thought it was ok', it feels like you're not thinking about all of your forum members or respecting their opinons as well.
if majority rules, why don't you hold a poll on whether or not to wipe palma's ban slate clean? i couldn't care less, but this feels like a similar situation.

Because a member is only a Troll if they are causing problems. If most members like the account (keep in mind it existed for months without a single complaint as have many others, mostly from regular users) then they aren't really a troll, they are entertaining. There is a difference between an intention to cause problems and an intention to cause entertainment.

Flaming is flaming is flaming. So there is no need to see what the forum thinks to determine whether or not a rule was broken.

We have to work with the will or the majority because we cannot please everyone. Some people are offended by cursing should we ban all cursing? I'm sure some people don't like the politics discussions maybe we should ban them too. Never mind that a large majority enjoy those things if we are going to argue that we should aim to please everyone then it should apply to everything not just when it works for an arguement.

Since I started as an Admin (which was from the start of this forum) there have always been people complaining about how something was handled but always the large majority has been happy. You can't please everyone all the time.

this is more a question for the heads of the mod/admin teams:
what kind of reprimands do you guys in power do or what exactly do you say to these actions in order to keep the peace?
what are you willing to say to the forum members in order to ensure that the mods/admins are keeping in line, as well as forum members?
do you think that mods/admins messing with the forum members or abusing their power reflects well on the forum or the site in general

There are procedures when someone is out of line but nothing with the Steel, Palma, etc situation was out of line.

[sandywh]

Cunt


^^hey cool it still works


Now everyone just STFU and get back to meaningful MMA discussions. We just went through what has been the biggest lot of MMA in forever and all some of you whiny little bitches can do is keep the drama alive by posting in these threads.

Noone wanted Palma around more than me and I have yet to say anything about it. Steel, too. Just get back to why we are all here.

Can't we all just get along?

[#1taz]

Disclaimer: This is just MY OPINION based on years of owning, adminning, modding,and being a member on too many sites/forums to count. So assume that every sentence starts with "IMHO..." OK?

It's been my experience whether it's at home, at work, or in public - "do as I say not as I do" just doesn't work. It doesn't get your kid's respect, it doesn't get your employees/co-worker's respect, and it doesn't work on any website or forum. It's better to be respected for being honest, hardworking and having integrity - than to be popularfor playing fast and loose with the rules.

Make no mistake that a forum is a business - it generates revenue. And as a business, it must be run professionally. Whether you get paid or volunteer - you accepted the job and the responsibility to act like a professional as you do whatever you are assigned. From the top admin to the newest noob - everyone should follow the same set of rules. And all staff members must have the honesty and integrity to lead by example. They of all people should set the standard that everyone follows.

You can't have it both ways. You can't go around making excuses for staff members or long term members bending or breaking rules - and then punish others just because of them not being on the staff, their low post count, newly joined date, or low rep point count for doing the same thing.

That just tells members that your staff can't be trusted or respected, and the rules aren't worth reading. And that all anyone has to do is hang around long enough sucking up to and ducking from the staff and the long-time members to get their post and rep point count up - and then they can do whatever want. And all noobs wind up getting get punked a lot untill they either leave....or decide to tough it out long enough.

Then instead of a site being a well-run business, you have a huge mess on your hands that has become a big pecking order - with flaming, trolling, and bitching all over. And most people that could have been great members take off fast or don't post any more than they have to - and the rest just hang around untill they can start being the bully instead of the one gettin' bullied.

And that folks aint good for business at all. Respect, honesty, and integrity is all you have in this business. Lose that - and you are in trouble.

(Note: see Sherdog.com...lol)

...That just my $.02 worth everyone - take it or leave it.

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Clint

There are procedures when someone is out of line but nothing with the Steel, Palma, etc situation was out of line.

And that is your opinion. Personally, I think it's hypocritical to not hold the staff to the same values and behavior you expect to hold the community to..lead by example.

However, it's just my opinion and this is a privately owned site, so if the decision to hold a double standard is the way they want to go, than they can.

Originally Posted by Frag x 3

I know for a fact who's behind the joke account that blatantly made fun of my girlfriend. I think it's dumb, but I'll survive.

The same thing happened with Clint a while back.

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

Fucking Evil Mods/Admins.

They make so much damn money it's ridiculous.

Also, most if not all of the bitching/arguing that has been going on has been outside of the General MMA section.....


I swear to god that I try to give you the best forum I can.

That is your choice Sundance. There are always options for those who want it bad enough.

There wouldn't bitching if things were handled properly and that is NOT reflection on you.

You do a great job with what you able to handle. You can be a great plane crewman but it doesn't mean anything when the Captain and Co-Pilot are blindly flying the craft into the mountains.

Plus, I think most people wonder who the Captain really is sometimes.

You are loved Sundance. I'm not going to swallow or anything, but I'll give you some vodka.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Steel

And that is your opinion. Personally, I think it's hypocritical to not hold the staff to the same values and behavior you expect to hold the community to..lead by example.

However, it's just my opinion and this is a privately owned site, so if the decision to hold a double standard is the way they want to go, than they can.

But how is it a double standard when we let the regular user spoof accounts go?

The same thing happened with Clint a while back.

They posted photoshopped pictures and made sexual references about her. Although if Frag has links I will take a look.

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Clint

But how is it a double standard when we let the regular user spoof accounts go?


They posted photoshopped pictures and made sexual references about her. Although if Frag has links I will take a look.

Actually, I was referring to the actions not the smurf accounts, but no member used those accounts to that extent.

I have no idea what exactly happened to Frag..that suck that you went through that though.

[bigsmooth696969]

Hmmmmm, this isn't where I wanted to go with this thread. Oh well, I guess I will start looking for another forum. Mods, could you please close this thread because I wanted to avoid bitching, not start it.

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke

u do realize that all you have done is create another thread for bitching, right?

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

Hmmmmm, this isn't where I wanted to go with this thread. Oh well, I guess I will start looking for another forum. Mods, could you please close this thread because I wanted to avoid bitching, not start it.

lmao

[Bullock]

Originally Posted by Frag x 3

I know for a fact who's behind the joke account that blatantly made fun of my girlfriend. I think it's dumb, but I'll survive.

I said your gf looked liked she was out of your league. I don't see how that is blatantly making fun of your gf. That is a complement to both her and in a way you, b/c it says that you can pull chicks that are out of your league. When people have said to me I take it as a complement.

I don't see how you think that is blatantly making fun of her at all.