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[sandywh]

I want him back, but there are other things at play here.

Palma knew what he did was ban worthy. he all but begged it. I think give him a few weeks to cool out, and if he wants to come back he can. But I would also bring him back on probation. Palma knows the rules of the board as well as anyone, and he knows the limits. if he pushed them it was a concious choice.

This place is what it is because of people like Palma (not going to round off all the names that make this the best board around, but you know who you are). Without him we are a lesser family, but we will still persavere. I thought this place was done when others just as influintial as Palma left, but it was still here and still growing. Noone is that important to the site. NO ONE.

I say unban him and make him an Admin. I honestly think that's the best way to leash a beast like Palma. If he is in charge of the rules he won't break them.

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by thumper

I'm a little confused at what this thread will accomplish. This forum isn't a democracy. The admins/mods make their decisions and they're placed here by the owner to manage it.

It just seems like the best case is this thread will turn into a huge argument.

I'm trying to accomplish the unbanning of Palma, I thought that was obvious.

I know I'm not a mod and don't have any say. I still feel the need to give my opinion on a peaceful solution where everyone can feel satisfied.

A 2nd chance seems reasonable. Like I said, if he decides to trash the mods again then a permanent ban is justified. But what if he wants to come back and just forget the events that happened, and be the contributing member that he was before? Why would anyone be opposed to that? Whats the harm in finding out?

Again, worst case scenario he trashes the mods and he's re-banned. Then anyone who supported him [like me] won't have anything more to say about the matter.

Maybe he doesn't want to come back at all. But we won't know for sure unless hes unbanned and given a chance to voice his opinion.

Being a well known member on the forum I feel obligated to give my opinion even if it means nothing to the mods.

And yes this thread is an argument, but its a civilized one.

[Clint]

But what about all of the complaints about the double standards of how veteran members get more leeway than newer members? Isn't this the same thing?

[thumper]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

I'm trying to accomplish the unbanning of Palma, I thought that was obvious.

I know I'm not a mod and don't have any say. I still feel the need to give my opinion on a peaceful solution where everyone can feel satisfied.

A 2nd chance seems reasonable. Like I said, if he decides to trash the mods again then a permanent ban is justified. But what if he wants to come back and just forget the events that happened, and be the contributing member that he was before? Why would anyone be opposed to that? Whats the harm in finding out?

Again, worst case scenario he trashes the mods and he's re-banned. Then anyone who supported him [like me] won't have anything more to say about the matter.

Maybe he doesn't want to come back at all. But we won't know for sure unless hes unbanned and given a chance to voice his opinion.

Being a well known member on the forum I feel obligated to give my opinion even if it means nothing to the mods.

And yes this thread is an argument, but its a civilized one.

Yup I see your point.

[sandywh]

Originally Posted by Clint

But what about all of the complaints about the double standards of how veteran members get more leeway than newer members? Isn't this the same thing?

There should be a double standard. Longtime or well respected members should be given some leeway on some matters. But its a fine line between abusing that leeway and flirting with it. I've thought several times that i would have been at least thrown in the hole for some of the flames I'v ehad, and yet never received a warning while the dude I flamed was eventually banned. Not that I'm complaining, but I assumed that it came down to...."Sandy's good poster and doesn't stir up too much trouble and this other guy has been a bitch since day one" So yeah, the double standards should apply. And although I think what Palma did was certainly ban worthy, I myself would have given him a day or two as an inmate tocool down and if he came out of the hole to continue what he started, then he would have had to go. I personally think he had earned that much, where as someone that has only been here a short while didn't have the same reputation (not rep) should've been bounced without any thought to it.

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Clint

But what about all of the complaints about the double standards of how veteran members get more leeway than newer members? Isn't this the same thing?

I haven't seen those complaints much..

But why not bring Palma back as an admin? I think that's a great idea. I don;t think Palma has done anything worse than Bullock has and he's been an admin for quite sometime.

This isn't a dig towards anyone..but an interesting idea.

Palma speaks his mind as is open about not liking someone. Other than telling it like it is, right or wrong, what has he done wrong?

Dork had issues and admittedly broke rules as an admin but he was taken back and rightfully so as he is good for the site. Again, no dissrespect to Dork.

What makes Palma any different?

[Clint]

He openly flamed an admin, made various offensive remarks in the thread, was warned/banned/inmated many times before for flaming and such and he should be unbanned and made an Admin? Thats not exactly a precedent that should be set.

Dork worked his way back up and never broke forum rules just Admin rules.

[scottsec]

Originally Posted by Supe

Shit i misread the Q. I think he should be unbanned. I voted No while thinking i was being asked if he should be banned. Ok, i sound dumb enough im quitting.

Did the same thing.....duh.

all I know is that I was made an inmate for asking whether or not we should start a poll to see if palma should be unbanned or not...and there's nothing else to it either..i'm not pointing anyone directly to it, but go look at the thread if you dont believe me. read all my posts.

i'd be careful leedog.

edit: and besides, even if a million people voted for palma to be unbanned and 2 people voted for him to remain banned, at the end of of the day it's going to show that the ppl voting for him to remain banned comes out with the win.

I'm done with this thread

[Bullock]

Originally Posted by Steel

But why not bring Palma back as an admin? I think that's a great idea. I don;t think Palma has done anything worse than Bullock has and he's been an admin for quite sometime.

Yes, creating L Ron was such a terrible thing. I made people cry.