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[Masscore]

Originally Posted by Afro

But hey.. Burkman, Jardine, etc are still in the UFC are they not?

I mean ya, if the 2nd best guy was already eliminated.. if hes that good he'll make it to the UFC. Point is he wont get a chance to fight on the show. Burkman, Jardine had there chance atleast.

and Speers did beat the 2nd best guy on his season, fluke or not ya know? I do agree that they arent the 2nd best guys on the show.. but hasnt the best guys always won?

Diego, Rashad, Forrest, Stevenson.. all have been the best from there seasons.. what if they had to go thru the 32 man thing as well and lets say Diego fought Koscheck right off the bat and lost? I think thats the risk of the way Dana is doing these TUFs right now.. we risk not seeing Josh Koscheck so to speak.

I see what you are saying and its a good point. But I do not think Dana really put them randomly together and probably had an idea of who to put against who as far as records and stuff go. I really don't see a guy this season that should win the whole thing outright. Kind of depressing actually seeing how weak the list of fighters is this year. There are no Sanchezs', Evan's, or Stevenson's on this season.

[Ramma]

A few things..


I know a lot of you guys are saying they did this or that to be on the show.. only to lose before even getting on it. Here is the truth, chances are, if they lost getting onto the show, there is a good chance they would have lost anyway. Not definitely, but more than likely.

In the end, the best guy on the show is still going to win (pending no injury). Hopefully.

Regardless, I don't think Dana should have surprised them. They should have known, "You have to fight your way onto the show this year."

That one guy had to cut like 16lbs.. wasn't really fair to him. Maybe he was the best guy.


I think not surprising them would have lead to even better performances.


Truth is, Dana could have said, "you have to fight to get on the show, and we aren't airing it unless you put on a good performance"

This way, anyone who looked good and wasn't a poser got their time, and anyone who is a poser either lost terribly, or was too much of a chicken to show up.

"Posers" will never be kept off the show though

[Ifightforaliving]

they can't set a weight limit before the show because noone walks around at that weight the all cut to get there. If they did a heavyweight show and the limit was 265 I wouldn't make it and neither would alot of the really big guys. I have to cut from 270 or 280 to get there and no its not fat its just that I am 6'6 and carry a big frame to say they would have to meet a weight limit to show is stupid.Also so what if the guy had to cut 16 If I were going on to fight at a weight limit I would have gotten myself into a safe or easy range to cut before I showed up. I would have been in the best shape of my life.Thats his own fault for showing up 16 lbs over. He could have easily worked out and kept his weight at a manageable place. Also I think fighting on tv and in front of the three 'judges" is well worth it hell I would quit my job for that opportunity win or lose.

Originally Posted by Ramma

In the end, the best guy on the show is still going to win (pending no injury).

do you consider the winners of all of the previous seasons to be the best guys on their show?

[carbondioxide830]

Originally Posted by Afro

Diego, Rashad, Forrest, Stevenson.. all have been the best from there seasons.. what if they had to go thru the 32 man thing as well and lets say Diego fought Koscheck right off the bat and lost? I think thats the risk of the way Dana is doing these TUFs right now.. we risk not seeing Josh Koscheck so to speak.

diego did fight kos on the show and WON but unfortunately doesnt count on his record which why we need a damn rubber match.

i agree with who ever said amir may win it. he looks promising, he's one of my top 3.

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke

do you consider the winners of all of the previous seasons to be the best guys on their show?

Let me see...

Forrest, the best
Diego, the best
Rashad, the best
Stevenson, the best
Bisping, the best
Kendall, the best
Serra, the best

Nate, no.. not the best.. but like I said, pending injury (Manny was beating Diaz without question, so that is what I base it on). Personally, I think Lauzon and Manny are better than him. I think Lauzon is better than Manny too, but didn't show it at all.

Danzig, the best.



Yep.. with the exception of Nate. Why do you ask?

[carbondioxide830]

i think nate is better than manny. nate's taking beatings before and pulled off a submission (see pellegrino, kurt) and probably would have done the same to manny.

i think every season, the best has one with the exception of season three...michael bisping is not better than matt hamill and the hammer proved that even in losing fashion.

[Dimson]

Originally Posted by sandywh

I think Amir Sabadulloh wins it, but certainly agree that the 16 fighters that are in the house are not the 16 best. I saw alot of talented guys go home. The two guys in that last fight looked very solid.

I am sure Dana and Joe sat down and paired up the guys who would one make the best fights and two gave the guys they expected to make it in the house the best fight possible to insure they made it. I don't they pulled names out of a damn hat. I am sure they have in mind who they think will be there in the end and there is no way they were going to match those guys up against eachother. I personally think based on his record they didn't think Matt Brown would be that good or they would not have matched him up against the guy he beat. They had him pegged as just a boxer when obviously he wasn't. Oh and I think he will drop down to WW after the show. He is definitely one of the smaller guys there.

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

i think nate is better than manny. nate's taking beatings before and pulled off a submission (see pellegrino, kurt) and probably would have done the same to manny.

i think every season, the best has one with the exception of season three...michael bisping is not better than matt hamill and the hammer proved that even in losing fashion.

Pellegrino got cocky and careless. Nate Diaz does not have this "Nog Like" recovery skill where he sits back and waits for a guy to mess up. Nate is lucky the fight wasn't stopped in the first.



At the time, Bisping was definitely better than Hamill.

Hamill knew how to wrestle, but nothing else really. The guy wasn't even mentally prepared for getting hit (not saying he can't take a shot).

If he and Bisping fought at the end of the show, Bisping would have won.

Right now? Yeah, Hamill is a better fighter..

Ed Herman is probably better than Kendall Grove now too. Know what I mean?


What happens after the show is a different story... but the best fighter at the time of the show will likely win.

[AJL416AZ]

all the guys were told to be near weight when they got to the show.
if anyone came in and didn't make the cut, or cut too much, thats their own fault.

and Amir isn't going to win shit. his jits was impressive for someone just getting started, but he has a ways to go on the ground and there is a black belt and multiple wrestlers who i would bet could beat him

CB is going to be smashing people.